i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't
The username is your email address. Yes it would be nice to update this. Create a new account using your new email. Transfer ownership from your old account the Atlas Probes. David -- https://dprall.net On 8/25/2024 5:04 PM, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-atlas.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
and lose credits, etc? or how did it work anyway i'd rather wait or so many other places also use mail as user, there you can simply change it. this also changes your username. most sane places and iirc also ripe has internal id for accounts. there aren't any real reason to sit on random user. if any, make it hard to change it. yet, many places make this easy so yeah, i don't think i'll make new, i'm waiting what ripe thinks of this there would be god damn good reason to refuse to do this change it's not really a pressing issue, could be implemented in next year too On August 26, 2024 12:20:42 AM GMT+03:00, David Prall via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
The username is your email address. Yes it would be nice to update this.
Create a new account using your new email. Transfer ownership from your old account the Atlas Probes.
David
On 8/25/2024 5:04 PM, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-atlas.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
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Transfer the credits to the new account. This happens all the time with researchers asking for credits. Yes it would be nice to change the email address and be done with it, or add a second email address to the account for recovery purposes and what not. Then change which is the primary account. Keep all the running tests within the one account without issues. David -- https://dprall.net On 8/25/2024 5:56 PM, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas wrote:
and lose credits, etc? or how did it work anyway
i'd rather wait or so
many other places also use mail as user, there you can simply change it. this also changes your username. most sane places and iirc also ripe has internal id for accounts. there aren't any real reason to sit on random user. if any, make it hard to change it. yet, many places make this easy
so yeah, i don't think i'll make new, i'm waiting what ripe thinks of this
there would be god damn good reason to refuse to do this change
it's not really a pressing issue, could be implemented in next year too
On August 26, 2024 12:20:42 AM GMT+03:00, David Prall via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
The username is your email address. Yes it would be nice to update this.
Create a new account using your new email. Transfer ownership from your old account the Atlas Probes.
David
On 8/25/2024 5:04 PM, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-atlas.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
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Go to https://access.ripe.net/profile Your RIPE ATLAS login is your NCC login - you should be able to make the change there. f On Aug 25, 2024 at 17:04:36, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-atlas.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
it's noneditable field without any edit or save buttons funnily i found it has been an issue 11y ago: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2013-November/001162.html and later elsewhere: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2017-October/005654.html there the replies from @ripe.net also say i can do it. but i can't? can any of you can? i also found some audit issues being mentioned but in the end they said you can do it. i can't recall ever being seen any mail edit sections there. it won't help me if there once was a way. now it's grey and readonly would be fun if accounts have limits on them anyway, i can't google out any reasons why this is not allowed. people only mention issues shuffling mails around. i don't want to do this. i also don't want to change it back, ever On August 26, 2024 1:04:01 AM GMT+03:00, Fearghas Mckay <fearghas@gmail.com> wrote:
Go to https://access.ripe.net/profile
Your RIPE ATLAS login is your NCC login - you should be able to make the change there.
f
On Aug 25, 2024 at 17:04:36, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-atlas.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
It was a while ago (at least a couple years), but I’ve definitely changed my RIPE login email address before. It should be possible unless that option was specifically removed. On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:56 AM Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
it's noneditable field without any edit or save buttons
funnily i found it has been an issue 11y ago:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2013-November/001162.html
and later elsewhere:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2017-October/005654.html
there the replies from @ripe.net also say i can do it. but i can't? can any of you can?
i also found some audit issues being mentioned but in the end they said you can do it. i can't recall ever being seen any mail edit sections there. it won't help me if there once was a way. now it's grey and readonly
would be fun if accounts have limits on them
anyway, i can't google out any reasons why this is not allowed. people only mention issues shuffling mails around. i don't want to do this. i also don't want to change it back, ever
Go to https://access.ripe.net/profile
Your RIPE ATLAS login is your NCC login - you should be able to make the change there.
f
On Aug 25, 2024 at 17:04:36, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but
feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription
On August 26, 2024 1:04:01 AM GMT+03:00, Fearghas Mckay < fearghas@gmail.com> wrote: this options,
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I went thought this change as well in recent years, from an ISP account to Gmail. I had to make the change for over a hundred accounts. WIth few acceptions, I was able to go to the profile and change email, sometimes adding the new, making it primary, then deleting the old. The few exceptions were accounts for transactions that were completed and the profiles were locked down. I do recall having to re-subscribe to this list with the new and unsubscribe the old account. I recall thinking that was a bit quirky. I just logged into the RIPE portal and see that the email field is not editable. That should be fixed. One shouldn’t have to open a new account, transfer everything over, and then close the old account. Even banks get this right! <soapbox> I’d discourage using email as the account key as most people don’t own their email address (like me, Google owns it). Email is unique, but it isn’t an identity, just a pointer into a (email) database.</soapbox>
On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:08 AM, Micha Bailey <michabailey@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a while ago (at least a couple years), but I’ve definitely changed my RIPE login email address before. It should be possible unless that option was specifically removed.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:56 AM Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
it's noneditable field without any edit or save buttons
funnily i found it has been an issue 11y ago:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2013-November/001162.html
and later elsewhere:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2017-October/005654.html
there the replies from @ripe.net <http://ripe.net/> also say i can do it. but i can't? can any of you can?
i also found some audit issues being mentioned but in the end they said you can do it. i can't recall ever being seen any mail edit sections there. it won't help me if there once was a way. now it's grey and readonly
would be fun if accounts have limits on them
anyway, i can't google out any reasons why this is not allowed. people only mention issues shuffling mails around. i don't want to do this. i also don't want to change it back, ever
On August 26, 2024 1:04:01 AM GMT+03:00, Fearghas Mckay <fearghas@gmail.com <mailto:fearghas@gmail.com>> wrote:
Go to https://access.ripe.net/profile
Your RIPE ATLAS login is your NCC login - you should be able to make the change there.
f
On Aug 25, 2024 at 17:04:36, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-atlas.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
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oh yeah if you look at my addr, you probably guess it's some site specific antispam scheme going on there and it is. altho domains are also for a lease, i went to this way. host own. db contains 326 dedicated subfolder autofiltering aliases so far. it's truly new generated addr per ever place on can ever put mail to. sadly i can't do same with phone. maybe they merge in future i'm happy that i did that switch and now i have full control. i think we should be able to buy something for life too. yes it's a ongoing service but it's important to have some kind of permanent own contact handle most allow it. few pricks deny their company name. samsung, tinder, myheritage. other few label 3rd level domain invalid. power company complained and told mails should be same and was surprised if it would even work. i told them it's security scheme in todays spam world. support-she was like ok whatever. like god forbid if you don't have ding@dong.sing addr. all others were ok fine people asked why not gmail, i asked why gmail. besides gmail is nightmare to use even. i mean if you are mom, it's fine funny, people ask if i have "normal" gmail addr too. i still do- but how this this even happen i still encourage people to never get provider domain addresses. could get it hosted but rent an own domain. perhaps family named. give it to kids too, etc. just sane idea. it's not that expensive either so yeah, waiting for that field to become editable. all backend stuff should be perhaps completed in next 10 years? ok 1 year? anyway, a reasonable time period i have feeling it was editable. if if was, wtf where did it go? it's as bad as some networks switch ipv6 back off (YES!) On August 27, 2024 5:20:33 PM GMT+03:00, Edward Lewis <mozamfeld@gmail.com> wrote:
I went thought this change as well in recent years, from an ISP account to Gmail. I had to make the change for over a hundred accounts. WIth few acceptions, I was able to go to the profile and change email, sometimes adding the new, making it primary, then deleting the old. The few exceptions were accounts for transactions that were completed and the profiles were locked down.
I do recall having to re-subscribe to this list with the new and unsubscribe the old account. I recall thinking that was a bit quirky.
I just logged into the RIPE portal and see that the email field is not editable. That should be fixed. One shouldn’t have to open a new account, transfer everything over, and then close the old account. Even banks get this right!
<soapbox> I’d discourage using email as the account key as most people don’t own their email address (like me, Google owns it). Email is unique, but it isn’t an identity, just a pointer into a (email) database.</soapbox>
On Aug 26, 2024, at 7:08 AM, Micha Bailey <michabailey@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a while ago (at least a couple years), but I’ve definitely changed my RIPE login email address before. It should be possible unless that option was specifically removed.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:56 AM Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
it's noneditable field without any edit or save buttons
funnily i found it has been an issue 11y ago:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2013-November/001162.html
and later elsewhere:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2017-October/005654.html
there the replies from @ripe.net <http://ripe.net/> also say i can do it. but i can't? can any of you can?
i also found some audit issues being mentioned but in the end they said you can do it. i can't recall ever being seen any mail edit sections there. it won't help me if there once was a way. now it's grey and readonly
would be fun if accounts have limits on them
anyway, i can't google out any reasons why this is not allowed. people only mention issues shuffling mails around. i don't want to do this. i also don't want to change it back, ever
On August 26, 2024 1:04:01 AM GMT+03:00, Fearghas Mckay <fearghas@gmail.com <mailto:fearghas@gmail.com>> wrote:
Go to https://access.ripe.net/profile
Your RIPE ATLAS login is your NCC login - you should be able to make the change there.
f
On Aug 25, 2024 at 17:04:36, Sulev-Madis Silber via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
i noticed i can't change my account mail address. unsure why we have such limitation here. i have mail i used for 25 years, or literally more than half of my entire lifetime, and now i want to change it. reason being it's ispmail i had since dialup. and they sold it. now i still have access to it but service sucks, despite expensive. a very good reason to change it. yet ripe seems to have account mail is permanent policy for no reason at all. i expect this to change after more updates. there was huge ui update but this feature is not coming. why? most of things allow me to change mail. with only handful of services insisting it being for life. i don't know if next one is lifetime long but at least now it's my own domain. hoping to change it. or at least given reason why i can't ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-atlas.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
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