Exploring the Idea of RIPE Atlas Virtual Probes
Dear colleagues, Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list. Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes. Please find more details on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri... Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
I fully support this idea and happy to help/develop and test. Colin Johnston
On 21 Dec 2015, at 11:02, Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list.
Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes.
Please find more details on RIPE Labs:
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri...
Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
Dear Atlas Community! On 2015-12-21 12:02, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list.
Indeed :-)
Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes.
Fair enough.
Please find more details on RIPE Labs:
I'll try to put my thoughts into some well-structured words, over there. I hope to succeed, but no premature promises yet...
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri...
Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
All the best for (2015)++ Wilfried
We also support the idea of expanding the network. If it's done in a modular fashion, users can pick their desired veracity levels to the task at hand. we'd like to see more information on mobile data as network uses shift a lot to mobile and (for various reasons) it's very hard to get current probes on such networks and ultimately having an ATLAS-like app might be the only realistic way to go about it. integration into open source platforms such as openwrt or the turris omnia would also be most welcome. Regards, Gil Bahat, DevOps and Network Engineer, Magisto Ltd. On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Wilfried Woeber <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at> wrote:
Dear Atlas Community!
On 2015-12-21 12:02, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list.
Indeed :-)
Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes.
Fair enough.
Please find more details on RIPE Labs:
I'll try to put my thoughts into some well-structured words, over there. I hope to succeed, but no premature promises yet...
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri...
Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
All the best for (2015)++ Wilfried
iphone virtual app probe would be great as well :) Sent from my iPhone
On 29 Dec 2015, at 19:49, Gil Bahat <gil@magisto.com> wrote:
We also support the idea of expanding the network. If it's done in a modular fashion, users can pick their desired veracity levels to the task at hand. we'd like to see more information on mobile data as network uses shift a lot to mobile and (for various reasons) it's very hard to get current probes on such networks and ultimately having an ATLAS-like app might be the only realistic way to go about it.
integration into open source platforms such as openwrt or the turris omnia would also be most welcome.
Regards,
Gil Bahat, DevOps and Network Engineer, Magisto Ltd.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Wilfried Woeber <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at> wrote: Dear Atlas Community!
On 2015-12-21 12:02, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list.
Indeed :-)
Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes.
Fair enough.
Please find more details on RIPE Labs:
I'll try to put my thoughts into some well-structured words, over there. I hope to succeed, but no premature promises yet...
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri...
Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
All the best for (2015)++ Wilfried
I would imagine that having probe apps on mobile devices would be very impractical in terms of battery usage, unreliable connections, the device itself not being on/connected 24/7, etc. In addition, I believe it would not be possible on iOS. You can't really have an app like this running full-time in the background. Only certain categories of apps are allowed to do this (e.g. GPS turn-by-turn navigation and audio players), and I can't imagine anything like an Atlas Probe will make it through App Review. On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Colin Johnston <colinj@mx5.org.uk> wrote:
iphone virtual app probe would be great as well :)
Sent from my iPhone
On 29 Dec 2015, at 19:49, Gil Bahat <gil@magisto.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gil@magisto.com');>> wrote:
We also support the idea of expanding the network. If it's done in a modular fashion, users can pick their desired veracity levels to the task at hand. we'd like to see more information on mobile data as network uses shift a lot to mobile and (for various reasons) it's very hard to get current probes on such networks and ultimately having an ATLAS-like app might be the only realistic way to go about it.
integration into open source platforms such as openwrt or the turris omnia would also be most welcome.
Regards,
Gil Bahat, DevOps and Network Engineer, Magisto Ltd.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Wilfried Woeber <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','woeber@cc.univie.ac.at');>> wrote:
Dear Atlas Community!
On 2015-12-21 12:02, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list.
Indeed :-)
Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes.
Fair enough.
Please find more details on RIPE Labs:
I'll try to put my thoughts into some well-structured words, over there. I hope to succeed, but no premature promises yet...
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri...
Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
All the best for (2015)++ Wilfried
iphones are being used as reliable routers with 4g and wireless sharing failover so having background probe app , like twitter,email auto checking would be great colin Sent from my iPhone
On 29 Dec 2015, at 20:35, Micha Bailey <michabailey@gmail.com> wrote:
I would imagine that having probe apps on mobile devices would be very impractical in terms of battery usage, unreliable connections, the device itself not being on/connected 24/7, etc. In addition, I believe it would not be possible on iOS. You can't really have an app like this running full-time in the background. Only certain categories of apps are allowed to do this (e.g. GPS turn-by-turn navigation and audio players), and I can't imagine anything like an Atlas Probe will make it through App Review.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Colin Johnston <colinj@mx5.org.uk> wrote: iphone virtual app probe would be great as well :)
Sent from my iPhone
On 29 Dec 2015, at 19:49, Gil Bahat <gil@magisto.com> wrote:
We also support the idea of expanding the network. If it's done in a modular fashion, users can pick their desired veracity levels to the task at hand. we'd like to see more information on mobile data as network uses shift a lot to mobile and (for various reasons) it's very hard to get current probes on such networks and ultimately having an ATLAS-like app might be the only realistic way to go about it.
integration into open source platforms such as openwrt or the turris omnia would also be most welcome.
Regards,
Gil Bahat, DevOps and Network Engineer, Magisto Ltd.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Wilfried Woeber <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at> wrote: Dear Atlas Community!
On 2015-12-21 12:02, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list.
Indeed :-)
Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes.
Fair enough.
Please find more details on RIPE Labs:
I'll try to put my thoughts into some well-structured words, over there. I hope to succeed, but no premature promises yet...
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri...
Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
All the best for (2015)++ Wilfried
well, if you constrain yourself to workalike of physical probes, you will not get satisfactory results... yes, mobile networks and mobile phones are unreliable. this doesn't make them less interesting to researchers and professionals - on the contrary. you will simply have to deal with the limitations. a good way to deal with limitations is by having access to more such probes. in particular, since mobiles are (well...) mobile, reproducibility is next to impossible and cannot be a design goal for this class of measurements. still OK for many uses. this also means that such probes will probably be allowed by iOS to check for requested measurements and wake up only periodically, e.g. by push notification via the notification service, and thus pass app review. If there is a legitimate need and use for an app, you can usually pass app review. On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Micha Bailey <michabailey@gmail.com> wrote:
I would imagine that having probe apps on mobile devices would be very impractical in terms of battery usage, unreliable connections, the device itself not being on/connected 24/7, etc. In addition, I believe it would not be possible on iOS. You can't really have an app like this running full-time in the background. Only certain categories of apps are allowed to do this (e.g. GPS turn-by-turn navigation and audio players), and I can't imagine anything like an Atlas Probe will make it through App Review.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Colin Johnston <colinj@mx5.org.uk> wrote:
iphone virtual app probe would be great as well :)
Sent from my iPhone
On 29 Dec 2015, at 19:49, Gil Bahat <gil@magisto.com> wrote:
We also support the idea of expanding the network. If it's done in a modular fashion, users can pick their desired veracity levels to the task at hand. we'd like to see more information on mobile data as network uses shift a lot to mobile and (for various reasons) it's very hard to get current probes on such networks and ultimately having an ATLAS-like app might be the only realistic way to go about it.
integration into open source platforms such as openwrt or the turris omnia would also be most welcome.
Regards,
Gil Bahat, DevOps and Network Engineer, Magisto Ltd.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Wilfried Woeber <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at> wrote:
Dear Atlas Community!
On 2015-12-21 12:02, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Some of you have asked about Virtual Probes on this list.
Indeed :-)
Although we don't plan to make virtual probes available in 2016, we do plan to investigate this idea and develop some prototypes.
Fair enough.
Please find more details on RIPE Labs:
I'll try to put my thoughts into some well-structured words, over there. I hope to succeed, but no premature promises yet...
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/exploring-the-idea-of-ri...
Kind regards, Vesna Manojlovic RIPE NCC
All the best for (2015)++ Wilfried
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