Probe on sailboat with Starlink
Hi, just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported) Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic. And if yes, some API-way to update location would be nice as we're moving:-) best regards Michael Markstaller Softwareentwicklung & IT-Dienstleistungen Am Birkengarten 19b 82024 Taufkirchen Tel: +49-89-21553825, Mobile: +49-179-2080789 USt-ID: DE293191950
I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful. On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported)
Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
And if yes, some API-way to update location would be nice as we're moving:-)
best regards
Michael Markstaller Softwareentwicklung & IT-Dienstleistungen
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I believe my probe, temporarily down, was the first fixed location starlink terminal RIPE atlas probe... software probe package on debian-stable. https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/1001821/ It's down temporary right now because the terminal has had its billing/account converted from fixed residential to the "RV" service plan, where billing can be paused and un-paused, and roam around the US 48 states + Canada. At the cost of being lower in priority with more latency/lower speeds than the fixed service plan terminals in any geographical area. On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 17:21, Phillip Remaker <remaker@gmail.com> wrote:
I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas < ripe-atlas@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported)
Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
And if yes, some API-way to update location would be nice as we're moving:-)
best regards
Michael Markstaller Softwareentwicklung & IT-Dienstleistungen
Am Birkengarten 19b 82024 Taufkirchen Tel: +49-89-21553825, Mobile: +49-179-2080789 USt-ID: DE293191950
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On 24/06/2022 03:21, Phillip Remaker wrote: There are a number of satellite providers for boats/ships: viasat, inmarsat, speedcast, marlink, navarino, kvh, thrane, iridium, hughes and probably others I am missing. I seem to remember that Maxmind and others used some sort of ad-hoc country code like XX to signify an IP associated with an area not covered by a country. -Hank
I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
Hi,
just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported)
Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
These are much more expensive than Starlink I would think. el On 2022-06-24 07:27 , Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On 24/06/2022 03:21, Phillip Remaker wrote:
There are a number of satellite providers for boats/ships: viasat, inmarsat, speedcast, marlink, navarino, kvh, thrane, iridium, hughes and probably others I am missing. I seem to remember that Maxmind and others used some sort of ad-hoc country code like XX to signify an IP associated with an area not covered by a country.
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The nature of teleport oeprations for geostationary operators is that the IP space an end user will be in is usually in some very mundane RIPE or APNIC or ARIN /24 that looks like it's located in Miami, or Brussels, or Cyprus. This is complicated by the fact that an individual /26 sized block of space used by a VSAT hub operator for point-to-multipoint contended access c, ku or ka-band vsat might have terminals in many different countries. A big portion of my Afghanistan stuff all used to meet the public internet in either Usingen, Germany or Singapore. On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 22:27, Hank Nussbacher <hank@interall.co.il> wrote:
On 24/06/2022 03:21, Phillip Remaker wrote:
There are a number of satellite providers for boats/ships: viasat, inmarsat, speedcast, marlink, navarino, kvh, thrane, iridium, hughes and probably others I am missing. I seem to remember that Maxmind and others used some sort of ad-hoc country code like XX to signify an IP associated with an area not covered by a country.
-Hank
I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
Hi,
just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported)
Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
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Hi, well maybe noone really read my question :-) The question is not if it's working, legal or anybody is fine with that but rather what the subject said (Atlas RIPE)"Probe on sailboat with Starlink" There is a "PORTABILITY Option" for 25 bucks a month to enable this with Starlink - all the other are impractical or much too expensive.. But again: the question was if I take the probe with me or leave it unused at home. best regards, Michael Am 24.06.22 um 07:27 schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
On 24/06/2022 03:21, Phillip Remaker wrote:
There are a number of satellite providers for boats/ships: viasat, inmarsat, speedcast, marlink, navarino, kvh, thrane, iridium, hughes and probably others I am missing. I seem to remember that Maxmind and others used some sort of ad-hoc country code like XX to signify an IP associated with an area not covered by a country.
-Hank
I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
Hi,
just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported)
Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
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Hi, On 6/28/22 17:29, Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas wrote:
the question was if I take the probe with me or leave it unused at home.
I think you should do it! No harm in collecting data from a probe in motion. I have no idea how starlink decides what ground station to bounce your service down onto, it might be interesting to see how it works the further you get from home. Consider tagging the probe somehow so that it can be found easily, or so that it's obvious why it's an outlier when somebody finds it in their analysis. I think some other probes have a starlink tag on them, but yours might be the only starlink on a boat. S.
Am 24.06.22 um 07:27 schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
On 24/06/2022 03:21, Phillip Remaker wrote:
There are a number of satellite providers for boats/ships: viasat, inmarsat, speedcast, marlink, navarino, kvh, thrane, iridium, hughes and probably others I am missing. I seem to remember that Maxmind and others used some sort of ad-hoc country code like XX to signify an IP associated with an area not covered by a country.
-Hank
I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
Hi,
just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported)
Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
It doesn't matter if the probe is located on a sailboat or somewhere else. It also doesn't matter if the probe is "moving" or at a fixed location. Most important is availability and reliability. Please don't deploy a probe only for some weeks. It should be up and running in the long-term. BR, Simon On 28.06.22 19:46, Stephen Strowes wrote:
Hi,
On 6/28/22 17:29, Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas wrote:
the question was if I take the probe with me or leave it unused at home.
I think you should do it!
No harm in collecting data from a probe in motion. I have no idea how starlink decides what ground station to bounce your service down onto, it might be interesting to see how it works the further you get from home.
Consider tagging the probe somehow so that it can be found easily, or so that it's obvious why it's an outlier when somebody finds it in their analysis. I think some other probes have a starlink tag on them, but yours might be the only starlink on a boat.
S.
Am 24.06.22 um 07:27 schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
On 24/06/2022 03:21, Phillip Remaker wrote:
There are a number of satellite providers for boats/ships: viasat, inmarsat, speedcast, marlink, navarino, kvh, thrane, iridium, hughes and probably others I am missing. I seem to remember that Maxmind and others used some sort of ad-hoc country code like XX to signify an IP associated with an area not covered by a country.
-Hank
I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote:
Hi,
just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported)
Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
I think that both availability and location are equality important because many folks make region/country/city specific measurements so they are really interested where probe is located. AFAIK Atlas doesn’t provide API to easily change location of the probe so it must be changed manually via Atlas API which will be super cumbersome for the host. It’s also interesting what country will be assigned to the probe if you select location on international waters. Mhh… Regards, Grzegorz From: Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net> Reply to: "ripe.net@toppas.net" <ripe.net@toppas.net> Date: Tuesday 2022-06-28 at 22:40 To: "ripe-atlas@ripe.net" <ripe-atlas@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [atlas] Probe on sailboat with Starlink It doesn't matter if the probe is located on a sailboat or somewhere else. It also doesn't matter if the probe is "moving" or at a fixed location. Most important is availability and reliability. Please don't deploy a probe only for some weeks. It should be up and running in the long-term. BR, Simon On 28.06.22 19:46, Stephen Strowes wrote: Hi, On 6/28/22 17:29, Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas wrote: the question was if I take the probe with me or leave it unused at home. I think you should do it! No harm in collecting data from a probe in motion. I have no idea how starlink decides what ground station to bounce your service down onto, it might be interesting to see how it works the further you get from home. Consider tagging the probe somehow so that it can be found easily, or so that it's obvious why it's an outlier when somebody finds it in their analysis. I think some other probes have a starlink tag on them, but yours might be the only starlink on a boat. S. Am 24.06.22 um 07:27 schrieb Hank Nussbacher: On 24/06/2022 03:21, Phillip Remaker wrote: There are a number of satellite providers for boats/ships: viasat, inmarsat, speedcast, marlink, navarino, kvh, thrane, iridium, hughes and probably others I am missing. I seem to remember that Maxmind and others used some sort of ad-hoc country code like XX to signify an IP associated with an area not covered by a country. -Hank I don;t know who gets to decide such a thing, but I think it's a great idea as long as it is appropriately tagged. Diversity of deployed probes is helpful. On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:16 AM Michael Markstaller via ripe-atlas <ripe-atlas@ripe.net<mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net> <mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net><mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net>> wrote: Hi, just a question: any interest to have a probe on a sailboat with Starlink (not officially supported) Just got my probe Probe #27837 fixed again at home (usb-stick RO/dead) and now I wonder if I leave it at home or take it with me over Adriatic/Atlantic.
On 28-06-2022 19:46, Stephen Strowes wrote:
... I have no idea how starlink decides what ground station to bounce your service down onto, it might be interesting to see how it works the further you get from home.
https://starlink.sx/ is a nice *simulation* that provides some graphical insight in what POPs might be used and why. NB: one can set the user location at the top right. Daniel PS: Receiving my starlink RV in a few days. I will test it at home first. If there is a spare probe, I'll be happy to connect it later.
Why couldn't they have used RIPE probes to conduct the analysis: https://labs.ripe.net/author/bassosimone/measuring-encrypted-dns-censorship-... Why did they need OONI probes? What services do OONI probes provide that RIPE probes cannot? Thanks and regards, Hank
From a quick check on the API and the linked test specification, there are some things that aren't supported on RIPE probes, like using SNI and Host headers that don't match.
But the easy answer is probably that OONI prefers to run their tests on OONI probes :) On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:23 AM Hank Nussbacher <hank@interall.co.il> wrote:
Why couldn't they have used RIPE probes to conduct the analysis: https://labs.ripe.net/author/bassosimone/measuring-encrypted-dns-censorship-... Why did they need OONI probes? What services do OONI probes provide that RIPE probes cannot?
Thanks and regards, Hank
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Dear all, as I see guys at OONI do a great job in detecting censorship technical measures. If someone has no direct access to their backend servers they support: tor, psiphon, snowflake, etc. I've tried to set up an atlas software probe in one of the very censored locations (in fact now none RIPE Atlas probes are running there) and it fails just because all REGSERVER IPs are blocked. Whom can I contact at RIPE to assist on this (I think we can find IPs which are not blocked for this purpose)? My mail to (whom I contacted earlier last year on this matter) philip.homburg@ripe.net returned me "not exist" this afternoon. On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:37 AM Sebastian Johansson <steamruler@gmail.com> wrote:
From a quick check on the API and the linked test specification, there are some things that aren't supported on RIPE probes, like using SNI and Host headers that don't match.
But the easy answer is probably that OONI prefers to run their tests on OONI probes :)
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:23 AM Hank Nussbacher <hank@interall.co.il> wrote:
Why couldn't they have used RIPE probes to conduct the analysis: https://labs.ripe.net/author/bassosimone/measuring-encrypted-dns-censorship-... Why did they need OONI probes? What services do OONI probes provide that RIPE probes cannot?
Thanks and regards, Hank
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Hi Evgeniy, you can write to 'atlas@ripe.net' and ask for support. BR, Simon On 01.09.22 22:12, Evgeniy S. wrote:
Dear all,
as I see guys at OONI do a great job in detecting censorship technical measures. If someone has no direct access to their backend servers they support: tor, psiphon, snowflake, etc.
I've tried to set up an atlas software probe in one of the very censored locations (in fact now none RIPE Atlas probes are running there) and it fails just because all REGSERVER IPs are blocked.
Whom can I contact at RIPE to assist on this (I think we can find IPs which are not blocked for this purpose)? My mail to (whom I contacted earlier last year on this matter)philip.homburg@ripe.net returned me "not exist" this afternoon.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:37 AM Sebastian Johansson <steamruler@gmail.com> wrote:
From a quick check on the API and the linked test specification, there are some things that aren't supported on RIPE probes, like using SNI and Host headers that don't match.
But the easy answer is probably that OONI prefers to run their tests on OONI probes :)
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:23 AM Hank Nussbacher<hank@interall.co.il> wrote:
Why couldn't they have used RIPE probes to conduct the analysis: https://labs.ripe.net/author/bassosimone/measuring-encrypted-dns-censorship-... Why did they need OONI probes? What services do OONI probes provide that RIPE probes cannot?
Thanks and regards, Hank
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Phillip Remaker -
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Sebastian Johansson -
Stephen Strowes