I agree with Gert (and Daniel), in whatever way continuing private measurements can be retained. The RIPE-Atlas project and infrastructure is a significant benefit to network operators, as well as to the researchers (and the Internet as a whole). The points Gert mentions are valid and demonstrate a significant operator use case. In addition to what Robert mentioned in the article, with the increasing use of 'edge connectivity', CDN, and anycast, operators need to test against the IP-unicast foundation of services - something they do not necessarily want 'the Internet' to know about, and something they certainly don't want black-hats to target with DDoS. Being able to run measurements against 'hidden IP addresses' to validate connectivity (for an Internet-facing service) in this way, and being fairly confident that measurements aren't highlighted in public data can be important. Might it be possible to reassess the current method of filtering non-public measurements, to perhaps simplify? Thanks Ivan On 16/12/2022 21:39, Daniel Suchy via ripe-atlas wrote:
Hello, I support Gert here, network operators (LIRs) can have valid reasons to make some their measurements non-public. So I don't support removal of this feature. It's a bad idea...
If some probe host has problem with that, why don't mark such probes as not-available for private measurements (this can be implemented easily)? And I think there will be only minority of probes marked like that. Majority of hosts will not care at all...
And keep in mind that Atlas is funded by LIRs and their money. All the big-data infrastructure (and also making of hardware probes) costs real (and not small) money. Existence of rivate measurements might be one reason, why LIRs allow spending money for this useful project. Probe hosting is only small piece in expenses within this project...
- Daniel
On 12/16/22 19:13, Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 10:41:42AM -0800, Steve Gibbard wrote:
Atlas, and the RIPE NCC, have two fairly separate constituencies: researchers and operators.
This.
Operators (like me) are willing to host Atlas anchors and probes, and thus contribute to the system.
I might be troubleshooting something in our network where I have no interest in making the results public. So I value the option to have non-public measurements.
There's no "right to see all measurements" here - if someone wants to see something, they are free to run their own measurements with their own credits. What I do with my credits (which do not come for free) and who can see the results should be my decision.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster
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