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New Atlas app Beta UI
by Stephen Suess 16 Nov '23

16 Nov '23

Hello Atlas fans, For quite some time we have been working towards a plan to separate Atlas into three distinct components: 1. The Atlas “app” 2. The Atlas promotional pages 3. The Atlas (technical) documentation The idea with this scheme was to make each more useful on their own, and not to get in the way of or confuse the others, because they each serve different purposes. This structure has been applied over several apps and services at RIPE NCC, and has been something that many teams have slowly been working towards over the past few years. The Atlas technical documentation has been in production for quite some time now (and you can check it out at https://atlas.ripe.net/docs/). And the promotional pages are being worked on and will hopefully roll out in the new year. That leaves the app. By Atlas “app”, we mean a simplified interface for interacting with the main functions of Atlas. This includes measurements, probes, anchors, credits as well as some stats. We are starting to build this simplified interface, and there is an early beta that we are releasing that we would very much like your feedback on as we develop it. Here are some of the highlights: 1. A much simplified menu structure that hopefully makes it easy to find what you need 2. A personalised dashboard that will show you cards of information related to you and your role(s). 3. On the dashboard will also be some utilities that we are developing, the first of which is an early quicklook measurement tool. You enter your target and will see a live streamed map of responses as they arrive. 4. For those of you with the Ambassador role, the dashboard contains a card that will allow you to manage the probes you have given out, and message hosts. 4. The app aims to be fully client side at launch. Many of our recent page changes on the production site have been with this in mind, and they are at the forefront of the beta interface 5. Although not yet active, there will soon be a personal preferences page that you can use to configure several aspects of the interface to your liking You can visit the beta at https://beta-ui.atlas.ripe.net/ We are very early days here (and there will definitely be bugs), but we wanted to release this beta to the public to start a conversation about what the Atlas app can and should be. Many things will change on the site over the coming weeks, and we welcome your feedback and suggestions on how to make this better and more useful to you. If possible please provide your feedback in the forum post created specifically for this purpose (https://forum.ripe.net/t/new-ripe-atlas-app-beta-ui-feedback/747) Thanks! Stephen RIPE Atlas UI

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Re: [atlas] Probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs?
by stephane＠mouton.com 12 Nov '23

12 Nov '23

+ripe-atlas Regards, Grzegorz From: "Ponikierski, Grzegorz" <gponikie(a)akamai.com> Date: Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 17:49 To: Carsten Schiefner <carsten(a)schiefner.de> Subject: Re: [atlas] Probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs? Hi! It depends on use case. For me, such probe would be fine for one-off measurements but for continuous measurements I would filter out such probe to avoid noise in data. However, when I looked on freifunk.net map I noticed that this network span across Germany, Switzerland, and Austria so even for one-off measurements usage of such probe is questionable because I never know where remote end of the tunnel is. If I understand correctly it can jump from country to country every day. In other words, such probe would be tricky to handle and user will have to be aware how such probe behave to properly handle data generated by it. Probably new system tag would be needed to mark such exotic probe. Regards, Grzegorz From: Carsten Schiefner <carsten(a)schiefner.de> Date: Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:07 To: "ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net" <ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net> Subject: [atlas] Probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs? All - I wonder whether this is a good idea or rather a really bad one... I have a free port on a Freifunk router where I could plug in a RIPE Atlas probe. Freifunk is a community where you - amongst other things - can offer a bit of your bandwidth to "the world". This connectivity sharing however is set up as a tunnel to various ISPs (for-profit companies and non-profit associations) as these would enjoy the "provider privilege": that in short is not to be held accountable for e.g. copy right infringements etc. ("Störerhaftung"). Anyhow: as part of this tunnel setup, the other end of the tunnel changes every 24 to 48 hours - and so does the upstream and therefore also the AS of the upstream provider. And now I am asking myself: a probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs - shall such an addition to the RIPE Atlas network be considered a fault or a feature? Any comments, anybody? Cheers, -C. -- ripe-atlas mailing list ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-at… [1] -- ripe-atlas mailing list ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-atlas -- ripe-atlas mailing list ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-atlas Links: ------ [1] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-atl…

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Re: [atlas] Probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs?
by stephane＠mouton.com 12 Nov '23

12 Nov '23

+ripe-atlas Regards, Grzegorz From: "Ponikierski, Grzegorz" <gponikie(a)akamai.com> Date: Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 17:49 To: Carsten Schiefner <carsten(a)schiefner.de> Subject: Re: [atlas] Probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs? Hi! It depends on use case. For me, such probe would be fine for one-off measurements but for continuous measurements I would filter out such probe to avoid noise in data. However, when I looked on freifunk.net map I noticed that this network span across Germany, Switzerland, and Austria so even for one-off measurements usage of such probe is questionable because I never know where remote end of the tunnel is. If I understand correctly it can jump from country to country every day. In other words, such probe would be tricky to handle and user will have to be aware how such probe behave to properly handle data generated by it. Probably new system tag would be needed to mark such exotic probe. Regards, Grzegorz From: Carsten Schiefner <carsten(a)schiefner.de> Date: Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:07 To: "ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net" <ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net> Subject: [atlas] Probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs? All - I wonder whether this is a good idea or rather a really bad one... I have a free port on a Freifunk router where I could plug in a RIPE Atlas probe. Freifunk is a community where you - amongst other things - can offer a bit of your bandwidth to "the world". This connectivity sharing however is set up as a tunnel to various ISPs (for-profit companies and non-profit associations) as these would enjoy the "provider privilege": that in short is not to be held accountable for e.g. copy right infringements etc. ("Störerhaftung"). Anyhow: as part of this tunnel setup, the other end of the tunnel changes every 24 to 48 hours - and so does the upstream and therefore also the AS of the upstream provider. And now I am asking myself: a probe with ever changing upstreams/ASs - shall such an addition to the RIPE Atlas network be considered a fault or a feature? Any comments, anybody? Cheers, -C. -- ripe-atlas mailing list ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-at… [1] -- ripe-atlas mailing list ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-atlas Links: ------ [1] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-atl…

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decommission of virtual probes
by ripe.net＠toppas.net 07 Nov '23

07 Nov '23

Hello folks, dear Atlas team, I would like to discuss the case, where a virtual probe is decommissioned because the place where you ran it will no longer be available. For example, a VPS which you have rented somewhere, but you've decided to cancel that service. Does it make sense to create and keep a backup of the virtual probe, so that you can re-deploy it later (with another AS)? Or is it better to delete the virtual probe and create a new one? Also: is there an official way to decommission a virtual probe permanently? I felt like this could be interesting for other people too, so i decided to discuss this question publicly. BR, Simon

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Re: [atlas] decommission of virtual probes
by ripe.net＠toppas.net 06 Nov '23

06 Nov '23

My bad. non-hardware probes are called "software probes" non-hardware anchors are called "virtual anchors" I mixed that up. I meant software probes. BR, Simon On 06.11.23 21:16, Ernst J. Oud wrote: > Define “virtual probe” please? Do you mean a SW probe? To me a SW probe is as real as a HW probe. > > Or do you mean an abandoned probe? > > Regards, > > Ernst J. Oud > >> On 6 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas<ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net> wrote: >> >> Hello folks, dear Atlas team, >> >> I would like to discuss the case, where a virtual probe is decommissioned because the place where you ran it will no longer be available. For example, a VPS which you have rented somewhere, but you've decided to cancel that service. >> >> Does it make sense to create and keep a backup of the virtual probe, so that you can re-deploy it later (with another AS)? Or is it better to delete the virtual probe and create a new one? >> >> Also: is there an official way to decommission a virtual probe permanently? >> >> I felt like this could be interesting for other people too, so i decided to discuss this question publicly. >> >> BR, >> Simon >> >> -- >> ripe-atlas mailing list >> ripe-atlas(a)ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-atlas

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Customs value of Atlas Probe
by Christopher Munz-Michielin 06 Nov '23

06 Nov '23

Hi All, I'm fighting a bit of a battle over the value of the ripe atlas probe for the purposes of taxation (they are insisting it's value is more then $300 CAD and over $50 in taxes is owed to import it) and in order to fight this I need to provide proof of value, however, I obviously don't have a purchase receipt to show them. Is there any form that RIPE provides which shows the value of the Atlas probes for customs/import purposes that I can include with my case? Thanks!

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New measurements listing page
by Stephen Suess 24 Oct '23

24 Oct '23

Hello Atlas friends, As part of our continuing improvements to the Atlas UI, we have just pushed a major update to the measurements listing page. Among the improvements: - Cleaner, simpler interface - Improved filtering and sorting - Views are sharable with all params - Improved paging - Favourite and Hide actions - and quite a bit more You can find the new page at https://atlas.ripe.net/measurements/ or in the menu under "Measurements", and the old page will remain available for a few weeks at https://atlas.ripe.net/measurements/legacy/. Your input and feedback is highly appreciated, you can reply to this message or directly to me or in the forum at https://forum.ripe.net/t/new-ripe-atlas-measurement-listing-page/725 Thanks! Stephen RIPE Atlas UI

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Delays in web interface
by Ernst J. Oud 21 Oct '23

21 Oct '23

Hi, I experience that lots of graphs in the web interface don’t display, sometimes when clicking on the built-ins tab the “loading” never finishes etc. Measurements appear to run fine. Any performance problems in the back end or ripe stat? Regards, Ernst J. Oud

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Questions with regard to the measurement status and running time
by Jerome Mao 20 Oct '23

20 Oct '23

Hi RIPE Atlas Team and Community, I would like to know more about the status of measurements - I have scheduled a one-off ping measurement which utilized 15 anchors. I polled the measurement status and results from my local desktop to the restful API through cousteau Python lib. The results were returned to me in less than a minute, but it took around 13 minutes for the measurement to transition from "ongoing" to "stopped." On the other side, the time delta between the "requested start time" and "requested stop time" on the RIPE Atlas portal is 9 minutes. My questions are: 1. Why is the measurement "ongoing" even if the results have already been made available? 2. What is the meaning of the "requested start time" and "requested stop time" on the RIPE Atlas portal? 3. Will a one-off measurement release one slot from the measurement rate limit once its result becomes available even if it’s still in "ongoing" state? Thanks! Best, Jerome

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HE "Supertraceroute" exposes ATLAS traceroute functionality to the public
by me＠natha.info 19 Oct '23

19 Oct '23

Hi all, As mentioned by Lukas, NLNOG Ring is also used in the "supertraceroute" project from HE. The NLNOG Board just published a statement regarding this on the NLNOG mailing list: http://mailman.nlnog.net/pipermail/nlnog/2023-October/003099.html Kind regards, Nathalie Trenaman (also on the NLNOG Board)

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