How to avoid double shipping?
Hello everyone I have come across a case multiple times where someone requests for RIPE Atlas probe and by the time I reply back to them (say 2-3 days), they mention that they have requested for probe directly from RIPE NCC as well. Once I even came across a case where I had basic communication with the host and I called them just at the time of shipping as they missed to share their ZIP code and the host mentioned that they already applied for it to RIPE and thus I did not send it to them but that brings of risks of sending two probes in a scenario where we all struggle to ensure that probe we have sent actually comes online and stays online. I think RIPE sending probes directly is likely ineffective as it would involve much higher cost as well as time which is what ambassadors save (except say in case of the Netherlands or parts of Europe). Did anyone else come across this issue? How do you ensure that probe you are sending is not the second probe to an already shipped probe by RIPE? Thanks. -- Anurag Bhatia anuragbhatia.com
I have similar situations like this, Someone asked me to send a probe, but then Lia asked to me that the same name is requested a lots of probe. So yes, I’m agree with Anurag that ripe should not send directly except outside from Netherland? Or if the ambassador is non responsive. Thank you. Budiwijaya On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 20.11 Anurag Bhatia <me@anuragbhatia.com> wrote:
Hello everyone
I have come across a case multiple times where someone requests for RIPE Atlas probe and by the time I reply back to them (say 2-3 days), they mention that they have requested for probe directly from RIPE NCC as well.
Once I even came across a case where I had basic communication with the host and I called them just at the time of shipping as they missed to share their ZIP code and the host mentioned that they already applied for it to RIPE and thus I did not send it to them but that brings of risks of sending two probes in a scenario where we all struggle to ensure that probe we have sent actually comes online and stays online.
I think RIPE sending probes directly is likely ineffective as it would involve much higher cost as well as time which is what ambassadors save (except say in case of the Netherlands or parts of Europe).
Did anyone else come across this issue? How do you ensure that probe you are sending is not the second probe to an already shipped probe by RIPE?
Thanks. --
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On 2018-04-16 21:10:37 (+0800), Anurag Bhatia wrote:
I have come across a case multiple times where someone requests for RIPE Atlas probe and by the time I reply back to them (say 2-3 days), they mention that they have requested for probe directly from RIPE NCC as well.
This has only happened to one of my hosts. He asked RIPE NCC for a probe in Singapore. Amusingly, it showed up in the post two days after I gave him one. Several months after he asked RIPE NCC for one though. I think the solution of this is either for RIPE NCC to only distribute probes through ambassadors or to provide better tracking on probes sent directly to hosts. My preference would be for probes to only be distributed through ambassadors. Maybe that way fewer disappear, never to be seen again. Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Ministry of Information
Dne 16.4.2018 v 15:10 Anurag Bhatia napsal(a):
Did anyone else come across this issue? How do you ensure that probe you are sending is not the second probe to an already shipped probe by RIPE?
My impresion was that the purpose of ambassadors is to hand out probes during face-to-face meetings at various conferences, not to ship probes by mail. Whenever somebody ask me to get a probe shipped to them, I just redirect them to RIPE Atlas application form. Of course, in more distant parts of the world, I can see some benefit in shipping probes from ambassadors, instead of NCC. In that case I would explicitly ask the hosts not to apply using the application form on the website. Regards, Ondřej Caletka
Hi Ondřej I think you are right that it just depends on various parts. I come from India and shipping cost for me from my city to anywhere in India is at max $3. I am sure RIPE would have to pay way more than that besides the risk of getting the sent probe trapped in customs. Also, we have very few events belonging to IP community (as opposed to Europe). Thus shipping probes are way more effective way out on this side of the world (and maybe not in CZ). Thanks. On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Ondřej Caletka <Ondrej.Caletka@cesnet.cz> wrote:
Dne 16.4.2018 v 15:10 Anurag Bhatia napsal(a):
Did anyone else come across this issue? How do you ensure that probe you are sending is not the second probe to an already shipped probe by RIPE?
My impresion was that the purpose of ambassadors is to hand out probes during face-to-face meetings at various conferences, not to ship probes by mail. Whenever somebody ask me to get a probe shipped to them, I just redirect them to RIPE Atlas application form.
Of course, in more distant parts of the world, I can see some benefit in shipping probes from ambassadors, instead of NCC. In that case I would explicitly ask the hosts not to apply using the application form on the website.
Regards, Ondřej Caletka
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