Fwd: Re: Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in more locations and networks
-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: 21 2015 <> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Subject: Re: [RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in more locations and networks To: dp@datasoftcomnet.com References: <lxatxl6n4u6ud94e7wf2eyk6.1440476198121@email.android.com> From: Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55DC1E78.8070503@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:51:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <lxatxl6n4u6ud94e7wf2eyk6.1440476198121@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My elevator pitch: Of course you have your network monitored and running well. ;-) Your customer experience however is based on the *Inter*net: They want to communicate with customers of other networks. So how is your connectivity with other networks at any point in time? RIPE Atlas provides thousands of vantage points around the Internet to look at your network and measure how well your customers are reachable from the rest of the Internet. You can set up both continuous monitoring and look at specific issues in real time. You can integrate the continuous external monitoring with your internal monitoring system. The very reasonable price is installing a few probes. If you are happy with what you get, install an anchor. Daniel On 25.08.15 6:18 , dp@datasoftcomnet.com wrote:
Hello all, Can someone share an elevator pitch on why an ISP or an organisation that is on 24/7 needs to put a probe in their network. What are the benefits they would get? Has someone prepared a case study.
Regards DP 9849111010.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos if any.
-------- Original message -------- From: Emile Aben <emile.aben@ripe.net> Date: 25/08/2015 09:25 (GMT+05:30) To: Sebastian Castro <sebastian@nzrs.net.nz> Cc: ripe-atlas-ambassadors@ripe.net Subject: Re: [RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in more locations and networks
On 24/08/15 23:53, Sebastian Castro wrote:
On 24/08/15 11:27 pm, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear ambassadors,
Hi Vesna:
You’ve helped us do a great job in distributing RIPE Atlas probes to many networks and regions of the world, but we still have work to do! There are a few ways to find out exactly where we need your help:
1) Networks with the most users and fewest probes
In order to increase topological diversity, it would be good to "target" the users of the networks that don’t have a lot - or any - coverage.
This RIPE Labs article lists the top 20 ASNs:
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/improving-ripe-atlas-coverage-what-n...
Or you can see the raw-text table here, sorted by the network size: http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/atlas_eyeball_coverage.txt
Emile's work is really valuable and much appreciated. Is it possible to have a date of generation on that file? It seems to be the same as few months ago, considering we have deployed probes in the last two months that increase coverage.
This was a one-off, timestamp on the file says I did that on 26 June. I've just put a new one here: http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/atlas-coverage/
2) Comparing population density with the distribution of RIPE Atlas probes
Emile Aben used CartoDB to plot, population and probe density on the same map:
https://emileaben.cartodb.com/viz/3caa5144-823e-11e4-8025-0e018d66dc29/publi...
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/distribution-of-ripe-atlas-probes
3) Comparing coverage between countries
This map shows the percentage of probes per country: https://atlas.ripe.net/results/maps/density/
Whichever method you choose, we trust your instincts and your knowledge of the local community to make the right decision and give probes to the best people!
We have a different method, that uses address space to determine which ASNs are relevant to cover.
The eyeball method works for ISP that serve customers, but not for those that provide transit. Our methodology, that picks a BGP table dump and calculates the ratio of /24 versus number of probes helps us to have more coverage and to quickly identify targets.
Heh. We had a discussion last week in the office which boiled down to pretty much what you describe here, as an alternative to 'eyeball' data. I expect more in this space soon :)
Cheers and many thanks to all our ambassadors for the great work they are doing! Emile
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Thanks for all the replies. I am sorry if I am sending out too many questions but I am serious about getting interested users rather that ISPs who may disconnect the probes later if they see no benefit. What is the preferred location of probes - I assume the order is IXP, ISP, Corporation and last DSL/Home users. Does the speed of the link make any difference to measurements (I assume it does)? Are there any benchmark probe sources or major IXP points ?- like Vonage, Vocalocity, Youtube, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo , Level3, Comcast etc. networks which are running anchors or probes so that a lot of ISPs would love those ready-to-use return-path statistics. Regards Durga Prasad +919849111010 -----Original Message----- From: RIPE-Atlas-Ambassadors [mailto:ripe-atlas-ambassadors-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: 25 August 2015 14:24 To: ripe-atlas-ambassadors@ripe.net Subject: [RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] Fwd: Re: Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in more locations and networks -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: 21 2015 <> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Subject: Re: [RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in more locations and networks To: dp@datasoftcomnet.com References: <lxatxl6n4u6ud94e7wf2eyk6.1440476198121@email.android.com> From: Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55DC1E78.8070503@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:51:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <lxatxl6n4u6ud94e7wf2eyk6.1440476198121@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My elevator pitch: Of course you have your network monitored and running well. ;-) Your customer experience however is based on the *Inter*net: They want to communicate with customers of other networks. So how is your connectivity with other networks at any point in time? RIPE Atlas provides thousands of vantage points around the Internet to look at your network and measure how well your customers are reachable from the rest of the Internet. You can set up both continuous monitoring and look at specific issues in real time. You can integrate the continuous external monitoring with your internal monitoring system. The very reasonable price is installing a few probes. If you are happy with what you get, install an anchor. Daniel On 25.08.15 6:18 , dp@datasoftcomnet.com wrote:
Hello all, Can someone share an elevator pitch on why an ISP or an organisation that is on 24/7 needs to put a probe in their network. What are the benefits they would get? Has someone prepared a case study.
Regards DP 9849111010.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos if any.
-------- Original message -------- From: Emile Aben <emile.aben@ripe.net> Date: 25/08/2015 09:25 (GMT+05:30) To: Sebastian Castro <sebastian@nzrs.net.nz> Cc: ripe-atlas-ambassadors@ripe.net Subject: Re: [RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] Deploying RIPE Atlas probes in more locations and networks
On 24/08/15 23:53, Sebastian Castro wrote:
On 24/08/15 11:27 pm, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:
Dear ambassadors,
Hi Vesna:
You've helped us do a great job in distributing RIPE Atlas probes to many networks and regions of the world, but we still have work to do! There are a few ways to find out exactly where we need your help:
1) Networks with the most users and fewest probes
In order to increase topological diversity, it would be good to "target" the users of the networks that don't have a lot - or any - coverage.
This RIPE Labs article lists the top 20 ASNs:
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/improving-ripe-atlas-coverage- what-networks-are-missing
Or you can see the raw-text table here, sorted by the network size: http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/atlas_eyeball_coverage.txt
Emile's work is really valuable and much appreciated. Is it possible to have a date of generation on that file? It seems to be the same as few months ago, considering we have deployed probes in the last two months that increase coverage.
This was a one-off, timestamp on the file says I did that on 26 June. I've just put a new one here: http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/atlas-coverage/
2) Comparing population density with the distribution of RIPE Atlas probes
Emile Aben used CartoDB to plot, population and probe density on the same map:
https://emileaben.cartodb.com/viz/3caa5144-823e-11e4-8025-0e018d66dc29 /public_map
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/distribution-of-ripe-atlas-p robes
3) Comparing coverage between countries
This map shows the percentage of probes per country: https://atlas.ripe.net/results/maps/density/
Whichever method you choose, we trust your instincts and your knowledge of the local community to make the right decision and give probes to the best people!
We have a different method, that uses address space to determine which ASNs are relevant to cover.
The eyeball method works for ISP that serve customers, but not for those that provide transit. Our methodology, that picks a BGP table dump and calculates the ratio of /24 versus number of probes helps us to have more coverage and to quickly identify targets.
Heh. We had a discussion last week in the office which boiled down to pretty much what you describe here, as an alternative to 'eyeball' data. I expect more in this space soon :)
Cheers and many thanks to all our ambassadors for the great work they are doing! Emile
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 06:36:03PM +0530, DurgaPrasad - DatasoftComnet <dp@datasoftcomnet.com> wrote a message of 185 lines which said:
What is the preferred location of probes - I assume the order is IXP, ISP, Corporation and last DSL/Home users.
No. The preferred location is "wherever there is Internet". The idea is to measure the real Internet, so probes (unlike anchors) are not limited to "good" locations.
On 2015-08-25 15:06, DurgaPrasad - DatasoftComnet wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. I am sorry if I am sending out too many questions
...no worries, I think it is very healthy to have that sort of communication and sanity- or double-checks every once in a while! [...]
What is the preferred location of probes - I assume the order is IXP, ISP, Corporation and last DSL/Home users.
In my environment we mix and match :-) I've got one candy-sized on my desk in our NREN NOC office, one candy back home hanging off a (different ISP's) DSL wire, plus 2 anchors, one close to the IX and the other close to our core router(s).
Does the speed of the link make any difference to measurements (I assume it does)?
Sure, but that is one of the nice facts about this system, you get a broader view on the behaviour of the net, and from a large number of vantage points! Cheers, Wilfried
Are there any benchmark probe sources or major IXP points ?- like Vonage, Vocalocity, Youtube, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo , Level3, Comcast etc. networks which are running anchors or probes so that a lot of ISPs would love those ready-to-use return-path statistics.
Regards Durga Prasad +919849111010
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