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RIPE NCC & LIR Status
by Flor Paredes 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Dear Alex, In reply to your comment made about membership requirements for Local Internet Registries (LIR), please see the following information: IP address space is assigned according to the criteria proposed and accepted by the RIPE community in the "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region" policy document. The RIPE NCC evaluates all requests for address space according to this policy. You can read this document at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv4-policies.html#9 This document states: "The use of PA address space should always be recommended". Following these guidelines, the RIPE NCC suggests, where appropriate and in the best interests of the requester, that becoming a member of the RIPE NCC may be an option. It is, however, not a requirement for any organisation to become a member. The RIPE NCC is a neutral, objective and not-for-profit organisation and does not explicitly promote membership. It does not aim to benefit from additional new members in any way. The fees are determined each year by the membership at the General Meeting on the basis of the RIPE NCC's expected expenses. Therefore, the interpretation that the RIPE NCC pushes organisations into becoming members and paying fees is based on a misunderstanding. If you have any questions or require more information please contact lir-help(a)ripe.net. Best regards, Flor de Maria Paredes Mattos Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC

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RE: [regional-russia] RIPE NCC & LIR status
by poty＠iiat.ru 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Здравствуйте! Во первых, адресами никто не владеет, поэтому слово "владелец" здесь неуместно. Во-вторых, каким же это образом можно управлять блоками не получив maintainer. В-третьих, в документации сказано прямо обратное. С уважением, Vladislav Potapov Technical Director IIAT, Ltd. Tel. +7 (495) 251 0164 Fax. +7 (495) 250 8188 -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin(a)ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:21 PM To: regional-russia(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [regional-russia] RIPE NCC & LIR status Добрый день! Владельцы PI точно так же сами управляют своими блоками ;) poty(a)iiat.ru wrote: > Здравствуйте! > > Вообще-то основным правилом RIPE, да и всех других RIR является > цепочка End-User - LIR - RIR... Отсюда и запрос. Если хотите получать > адреса - обращайтесь к ближайшему LIR (ближайшему в самых разных > смыслах, а не только территориально). Хотите сами управлять своими > блоками - становитесь LIR. > > С уважением, > Vladislav Potapov > Technical Director > IIAT, Ltd. > e-mail: poty(a)iiat.ru > tel: +7 (495) 251-01-64 > fax: +7 (495) 250-81-88 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: regional-russia-admin(a)ripe.net >> [mailto:regional-russia-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev >> Sent: 10 апреля 2007 г. 18:17 >> To: regional-russia(a)ripe.net >> Subject: Re: [regional-russia] RIPE NCC & LIR status >> >> >> Добрый день! >> >> Очень часто при заявках /22 и больше RIPE спрашивает, а не >> хотите ли вы все-таки стать ЛИРом? А почему? >> >> Igor Chentsov wrote: >>> Здравствуйте, Alex. >>> >>> Вы писали 6 апреля 2007 г., 12:08:04: >>> >>>> Добрый день. >>>> У кого есть опыт, поделитесь - как отбрыкать институт (МФТИ) от >>>> необходимости становиться LIR'ом? RIPE NCC настаивает на этом. При >>>> этом, самому институту статус LIR'а абсолютно ненужен. Фактически, >>>> просто RIPE NCC такой политикой добивается выплаты start-up fee и >>>> ежегодных платежей. При этом институт провайдерской >> деятельности не >>>> ведет, клиентов не имеет. P.S. Дочка института - УНПК МФТИ >> LIR, но по >>>> различным соображениям, выдать адреса из своего PA блока нельзя, >>>> соответственно нужны PI адреса ну или как вариант - новый PA блок, >>>> который УНПК МФТИ целиком отдаст МФТИ. Второй вариант был >> озвучен - >>>> получен ответ - пусть МФТИ тоже станет LIR и получит свой PA блок. >>> Че-то я не понимаю, как именно вас райп заставляет >> становится лиром? >>> Вы пробовали посылать от вашего лира заявку на PI блок? >> Если да то что >>> вам ответили? Что вы писали в пункте Why is PI space >> required rather >>> than PA space? Насколько я спрашивал всех регистраторов и >> менеджеров >>> райп (всех, кого видел на региональных райповках) они >> вообще никогда >>> не отказывают в PI, а только требуют дополнительной информации если >>> что-то им кажеться неясным. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> WBR, >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO) >> >> > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO)

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график использования IP-адресов
by Nikolay Morev 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Привет всем. В соответствии с http://www.ripe.net/rs/ipv4/ipv4-verification.html надо строить график использования IP-адресов для DSL. Поделитесь опытом, кто как это организовал, какие инструменты использовались. -- Владимирский филиал ОАО ЦентрТелеком Центр Информационных Технологий, (4922) 35-40-39 http://elcom.ru

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RE: [regional-russia] RIPE NCC & LIR status
by poty＠iiat.ru 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Здравствуйте! Вообще-то основным правилом RIPE, да и всех других RIR является цепочка End-User - LIR - RIR... Отсюда и запрос. Если хотите получать адреса - обращайтесь к ближайшему LIR (ближайшему в самых разных смыслах, а не только территориально). Хотите сами управлять своими блоками - становитесь LIR. С уважением, Vladislav Potapov Technical Director IIAT, Ltd. e-mail: poty(a)iiat.ru tel: +7 (495) 251-01-64 fax: +7 (495) 250-81-88 > -----Original Message----- > From: regional-russia-admin(a)ripe.net > [mailto:regional-russia-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev > Sent: 10 апреля 2007 г. 18:17 > To: regional-russia(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [regional-russia] RIPE NCC & LIR status > > > Добрый день! > > Очень часто при заявках /22 и больше RIPE спрашивает, а не > хотите ли вы все-таки стать ЛИРом? А почему? > > Igor Chentsov wrote: > > Здравствуйте, Alex. > > > > Вы писали 6 апреля 2007 г., 12:08:04: > > > >> Добрый день. > >> У кого есть опыт, поделитесь - как отбрыкать институт (МФТИ) от > >> необходимости становиться LIR'ом? RIPE NCC настаивает на этом. При > >> этом, самому институту статус LIR'а абсолютно ненужен. Фактически, > >> просто RIPE NCC такой политикой добивается выплаты start-up fee и > >> ежегодных платежей. При этом институт провайдерской > деятельности не > >> ведет, клиентов не имеет. P.S. Дочка института - УНПК МФТИ > LIR, но по > >> различным соображениям, выдать адреса из своего PA блока нельзя, > >> соответственно нужны PI адреса ну или как вариант - новый PA блок, > >> который УНПК МФТИ целиком отдаст МФТИ. Второй вариант был > озвучен - > >> получен ответ - пусть МФТИ тоже станет LIR и получит свой PA блок. > > Че-то я не понимаю, как именно вас райп заставляет > становится лиром? > > Вы пробовали посылать от вашего лира заявку на PI блок? > Если да то что > > вам ответили? Что вы писали в пункте Why is PI space > required rather > > than PA space? Насколько я спрашивал всех регистраторов и > менеджеров > > райп (всех, кого видел на региональных райповках) они > вообще никогда > > не отказывают в PI, а только требуют дополнительной информации если > > что-то им кажеться неясным. > > > > > > > > > -- > WBR, > Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO) > >

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RIPE NCC & LIR status
by Alex Y Fadeyev 10 Apr '07

10 Apr '07

Добрый день. У кого есть опыт, поделитесь - как отбрыкать институт (МФТИ) от необходимости становиться LIR'ом? RIPE NCC настаивает на этом. При этом, самому институту статус LIR'а абсолютно ненужен. Фактически, просто RIPE NCC такой политикой добивается выплаты start-up fee и ежегодных платежей. При этом институт провайдерской деятельности не ведет, клиентов не имеет. P.S. Дочка института - УНПК МФТИ LIR, но по различным соображениям, выдать адреса из своего PA блока нельзя, соответственно нужны PI адреса ну или как вариант - новый PA блок, который УНПК МФТИ целиком отдаст МФТИ. Второй вариант был озвучен - получен ответ - пусть МФТИ тоже станет LIR и получит свой PA блок. -- Sincerely Yours, Alex Y. Fadeyev Chief Engineer, Head of NOC, CCNP, PhD MIPT-telecom http://telecom.mipt.ru Tel.: +7 495 576-4381 Fax.: +7 495 576-4563 e-mail: alex(a)mipt.ru <e-mailto:alex@mipt.ru> LinkedIN <http://www.linkedin.com/in/alexf>

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RIPE 54: Visa process for Russian passport holders
by RIPE Meeting 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC would like to clarify a few things about the upcoming RIPE Meeting in Estonia. Why is a RIPE Meeting being held in Estonia? ------------------------------------------------------------ Each year, two meetings are held. One meeting is usually held in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, and the other takes place in another country in the RIPE NCC service region. Why are there so many visa requirements for Russians? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have to abide by any local protocols and customs in whichever country the RIPE Meeting takes place. For citizens of most countries, a visa is not necessary to enter Estonia. Unfortunately, for holders of certain passports, listed in the URLs below, the visa application process for entry into Estonia is quite complex. All details of the visa application process that we have documented are requirements from the Estonian Department of Immigration. Unfortunately, the RIPE NCC has no control over these requirements. Do I need to provide copies of my work permit? ------------------------------------------------------------ You will only need to provide a copy of your work permit and a residence permit if you hold a Russian passport but are living and working in a country that is not Russia. The following links will help you further and will explain why certain documents, such as work permits and scans of passports, are necessary for the process: How to obtain short-term Estonian visa and documents required to apply: http://www.estemb.ru/konsulskaja_informatsija/viza/aid-220 Information regarding Visa Invitation for Estonia: http://www.mig.ee/vene/viisakutse/viisak/ Why isn't an invitation letter from the RIPE NCC enough for my visa? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Estonian Immigration Authority will not accept an invitation letter from the RIPE NCC. The *host* of the meeting (Norby Telecom) must apply for your visa on your behalf as they will act as your guarantors during your stay in Estonia. What do I need to do now? ----------------------------------- When you have registered for the meeting, you still need to request an invitation letter so that the host knows who needs a visa. Details on how to do this are in your confirmation e-mail. You will need to send all the required documentation (as specified in the link above) to meeting(a)ripe.net. A visa will then be applied for you on your behalf. If the visa application is successful, you will be able to pick up your visa at an Estonian Embassy or Consulate. It can take *up to* 30 days to issue a visa. If you have any more questions about this, please e-mail: meeting(a)ripe.net Regards, Sandra Gijzen RIPE NCC

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RIPE 54: Reminder to register
by RIPE Meeting 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

[Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear Colleagues, RIPE 54 will be held 7 - 11 May 2007, at the Sokos Hotel Viru in Tallinn, Estonia. MEETING PLAN ============ The RIPE 54 Meeting plan is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-54/meeting-plan.html REGISTRATION ============ To register for RIPE 54, please see: https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/meeting/register/40 MEETING FEE =========== The meeting fee is EUR 400. This covers the full RIPE Meeting week. You receive a EUR 50 discount if your payment is received before 12:00 CET on Friday, 4 May 2007. DAY TICKETS =========== Day tickets are also available and cost EUR 125 per day. TRAVEL VISA FOR ESTONIA ======================= We advise you to check whether you need visa to enter Estonia: http://www.mfa.ee/eng/kat_132/915.html If you do require a visa to enter the Estonia, please request one a soon as possible as it can take up to 30 days to complete the visa process. We are also happy to provide you with an invitation letter for your visa request. When you have completed the meeting registration, details of how you can request an invitation letter will be sent to you in the confirmation e-mail. RIPE 54 INFORMATION =================== For more information about RIPE 54, please see: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-54/index.html If you have any further questions, please contact: <meeting(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Sandra Gijzen RIPE NCC

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RE: [regional-russia] RIPE 54: Reminder to register
by Bedunkevich, Alexander 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

Какого еще пропуска? Вас просят прислать вид на жительство и разрешение на работу, если они у вас есть (в смысле если положены Вам по закону). С уважением Александр Бедункевич -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin(a)ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Larisa A. Yurkina Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:50 PM To: regional-russia(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [regional-russia] RIPE 54: Reminder to register On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, RIPE Meeting wrote: А вот дополнительная информация о том, как запрашивать invitation letter для эстонской визы российским гражданам: From: Meeting <meeting(a)ripe.net> To: Larisa A. Yurkina <ula(a)ripn.net> Subject: RIPE 54 Meeting: visa for Russia Dear Larisa, Would you be so kind as to provide me with the following information for your visa arrangements for Estonia: -A good copy of your passport -Your exact home address (including zip code and such) -If you have it, a good copy of your work and/or residence permit (for where you live) With a good copy I mean a scan that actually shows the details, I've seen faxed copies that weren't legible at all. Should you have any question, please contact me. Best regards, Sandra Gijzen Копия пропуска-то зачем? :( И почему недостаточно просто указать данные паспорта, как обычно, а сканировать документы? Это эстоонцы придумали или RIPE NCC так старается? И что это за особая такая 'visa for Russia'? И почему надо устраивать RIPE Meeting в стране, куда визу надо получать 30 дней? Удивительно. > [Apologies for duplicate e-mails] > > > Dear Colleagues, > > RIPE 54 will be held 7 - 11 May 2007, at the Sokos Hotel Viru in > Tallinn, Estonia. > > MEETING PLAN > ============ > The RIPE 54 Meeting plan is available at: > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-54/meeting-plan.html > > REGISTRATION > ============ > To register for RIPE 54, please see: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/meeting/register/40 > > MEETING FEE > =========== > The meeting fee is EUR 400. This covers the full RIPE Meeting week. You > receive a EUR 50 discount if your payment is received before 12:00 CET > on Friday, 4 May 2007. > > DAY TICKETS > =========== > Day tickets are also available and cost EUR 125 per day. > > TRAVEL VISA FOR ESTONIA > ======================= > We advise you to check whether you need visa to enter Estonia: > http://www.mfa.ee/eng/kat_132/915.html > > If you do require a visa to enter the Estonia, please request one a > soon as possible as it can take up to 30 days to complete the visa > process. We are also happy to provide you with an invitation > letter for your visa request. When you have completed the meeting > registration, details of how you can request an invitation letter will > be sent to you in the confirmation e-mail. > > RIPE 54 INFORMATION > =================== > For more information about RIPE 54, please see: > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-54/index.html > > If you have any further questions, please contact: > <meeting(a)ripe.net>. > > > Regards, > Sandra Gijzen > RIPE NCC > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center -----

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Re: [regional-russia] FW: [regional-russia] Re: Вопрос доставки документов
by Jochem de Ruig 14 Mar '07

14 Mar '07

Dear Vladislav, Thank you for bringing this issue and your suggestions to my attention. Over the past years we have started to understand more and more the problems you face in dealing with us and we sympathise and try to support and help when and where possible. I think over the past few years we have made some good improvements to be able to service you better. It is very useful for us to get feedback from you so that we can further improve our working together. We will investigate the possibilities of implementing these with a focus on making the invoices (signed and stamped) available on-line via the LIR portal and also via e-mail as this would make life a lot easier for all of us. I will keep you informed regarding the progress. Kind regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC Potapov Vladislav wrote: > Dear Jochem, > > I have to clear for myself and several LIRs I help the way I should use for "explicitly requests" the registered mail variant of delivery. > For example, ticket NCC#2006123007. The first letter for this ticket was 22 December. Now it is 25 January. I was told that there is no option for the registered mail, offered DHL-way, agreed on it (what could I do: "there is no option") and still do not have any answer, documents and so on... > It's not the first time I go into such situation. The "billing questions" take months to solve, we always late in payments for that. Could it be possible to somewhat ease the problem? > Maybe some thinks of some members of regional-russia group help: > 1. Is it possible to e-mail fully signed and stamped invoice by e-mail (a scanner cost is only $100 now)? > 2. Is it possible to send the full year (4-pack) documents? > 3. Is it possible to clear the problems with registered mail? I mean: if the mail registered, if it is returned there is always a hint WHY? Maybe it is possible to report the hint to the receiver side to prove that the problems exist (maybe through lirportal?) ? It's only one time (instead of frequent and long conversation I have now) and more productive. > 4. Is it possible to ease the burden of the DHL (when the other ways don't work) cost by grouping several deliveries and take the cost from LIRs? > > I hope you understand our problems. > > Sincerely yours, > Vladislav Potapov > Technical Director > IIAT, Ltd. > e-mail: poty(a)iiat.ru > tel: +7 (495) 251-01-64 > fax: +7 (495) 250-81-88 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jochem de Ruig [mailto:jochem@ripe.net] >> Sent: 19 января 2007 г. 19:04 >> To: regional-russia(a)ripe.net >> Cc: Potapov Vladislav >> Subject: Re: [regional-russia] FW: [regional-russia] Re: >> Вопрос доставки документов >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> As a result of discussion on this list, I'd like to clarify >> how RIPE NCC invoices are sent. >> >> Invoices to all members are sent by regular mail as well as >> e-mail. If an invoice needs to be re-sent, regular mail is >> used. We are happy to re-send invoices as many times as necessary. >> >> The only time we do not use regular mail is if a member >> explicitly requests that their invoice must be sent by >> registered mail or via DHL (courier). The RIPE NCC pays to >> send registered mail. The cost of sending an invoice by DHL >> is paid by the member. >> >> It is a misunderstanding that we do not send invoices for >> Russian members via registered mail. >> >> We have experienced frequent problems with sending registered >> mail to Russia, as the mail does not always arrive or is >> returned to us. For this reason, we prefer to use DHL to >> deliver your invoices. Using this method, delivery is >> guaranteed and we want to ensure that the documents reach >> you. However, if a member requests that we use registered >> mail, we are also happy to use this method. >> >> Unfortunately, our current invoicing system does not enable >> us to send all the quarterly invoices together at the >> beginning of the year. This means we must continue to send >> the invoices throughout the year. However it is possible for >> you to request that you receive a yearly invoice. For more >> information see: >> http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2006/downloads/ru > sfacts.pdf > > On behalf of the RIPE NCC, I'd like to apologise for any confusion caused. I hope the information above clarifies our position regarding mailing documents to Russia. > > Kind regards, > > > > Jochem de Ruig > Chief Financial Officer

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Стандартный вопрос
by Alex Tichtchenko 25 Jan '07

25 Jan '07

Здравствуйте, Простите за очередной вопрос "об этом" - я помню, что информация проскакивала совсем недавно, но куда-то я ее потерял... Не напомните как разбираться с ситуацией, когда бухгалтерия требует подтверждения регистрации RIPE ? Просмотрел rusfact.pdf по результатам 2006, конкретно этого момента не нашел. -- С уважением, Александр Тищенко ru.vgtrk

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