Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends, The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran. Since then the local community has flourished and managed to accomplish many things such as kicking off the IXPs, starting IRNOG and diversifying the channels of communication that people can use to reach local technical expertise and support in Farsi. As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role. Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July. We will continue to identify with you different channels and areas where we can collaborate more and provide more meaningful support that meets the level of maturity that we see today in the Iranian technical community. And while I have your attention, the RIPE NCC Survey 2019 is available to take this year in Farsi, and there are questions about the communications channels that our community uses. Please take advantage of this translated survey and let us know what we can do to help your community: https://www.ripe.net/survey <https://www.ripe.net/survey> Regards Hisham
Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR. So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active. Best Regards Payam From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear colleagues and friends, The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran. As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role. Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
Hi, I agree with Payam, Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication. I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members. Regards, Arash Naderpour On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote:
Hi Hisham
I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not.
There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings:
- Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently
- Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well
- Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards
Payam
*From:* Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Hisham Ibrahim *Sent:* June 4, 2019 4:49 PM *To:* persian-lir@ripe.net *Subject:* [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
Salam Arash and Payam, Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points. This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015. During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG). So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch. You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html> The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will. We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit. It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels. This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog> Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018). The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers) I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve. I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it. My two cents Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote: Hi Hisham
I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018. The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog>
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote: Hi Hisham
I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not.
There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings:
- Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently
- Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well
- Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards
Payam
From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir>
Dear all, I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise. Cheers, Shadi Shahlapour On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> wrote:
Salam Arash and Payam,
Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html
The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve.
I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
My two cents Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote:
Hi Hisham
I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join
According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote:
Hi Hisham
I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not.
There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings:
- Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently
- Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well
- Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards
Payam
*From:* Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Hisham Ibrahim *Sent:* June 4, 2019 4:49 PM *To:* persian-lir@ripe.net *Subject:* [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
-- Shadi Shahlapour
You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG? From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com>; persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear all, I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise. Cheers, Shadi Shahlapour On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net> > wrote: Salam Arash and Payam, Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points. This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015. During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG). So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch. You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will. We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit. It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels. This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018). The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers) I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve. I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it. My two cents Hisham On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net> > wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018. The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > wrote: Hi, I agree with Payam, Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication. I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members. Regards, Arash Naderpour On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net> > wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR. So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active. Best Regards Payam From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> > On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear colleagues and friends, The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran. As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role. Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July. _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir -- Shadi Shahlapour
Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once. Its doable, isnt it? Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com>; persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear all,
I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise.
Cheers,
Shadi Shahlapour
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> wrote: Salam Arash and Payam,
Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html
The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve.
I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
My two cents Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join
According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards Payam
From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
-- Shadi Shahlapour
Adding someone to a new list just because someone else is thinking to kill another list, bad practice. Unsubscribe here and join any other list that you like, that’s the way it can be. From: Shadi Shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 1:13 PM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net>; persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once. Its doable, isnt it? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > wrote: You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG? From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net> > Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> >; persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear all, I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise. Cheers, Shadi Shahlapour On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net> > wrote: Salam Arash and Payam, Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points. This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015. During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG). So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch. You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will. We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit. It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels. This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018). The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers) I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve. I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it. My two cents Hisham On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net> > wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018. The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > wrote: Hi, I agree with Payam, Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication. I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members. Regards, Arash Naderpour On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net> > wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR. So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active. Best Regards Payam From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> > On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear colleagues and friends, The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran. As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role. Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July. _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir -- Shadi Shahlapour
Dear Arash and all, The reason why I started this thread is to revaluate where this mailing list that has been quiet for over a year now is. (You have worked with me and know I am always keen on perfecting and enhancing everything we do). This list was created with initial gaols in mind which as I highlighted in pervious emails have been fulfilled. (This is actually something too be proud of) Having said that, there is nothing that keeps us as a group of roughly 100 people of setting new goals and measuring how effective we are in meeting them when the time comes. I would love to hear from you and hopefully others on the list what the technical community would like to achieve as goals and how they think this list can help them reach it. Regards Hisham
On 12 Jun 2019, at 09:02, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Adding someone to a new list just because someone else is thinking to kill another list, bad practice.
Unsubscribe here and join any other list that you like, that’s the way it can be.
From: Shadi Shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 1:13 PM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net>; persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once. Its doable, isnt it?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>> Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>>; persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear all,
I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise.
Cheers,
Shadi Shahlapour
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>> wrote:
Salam Arash and Payam,
Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html>
The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog>
Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve.
I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
My two cents Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote:
Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join
According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog>
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote:
Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards Payam
From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir>
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir>
-- Shadi Shahlapour
Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
Dear all, This email should have been sent from my email account and not the MENOG secertariat email. My apologise for the mix up. Regards Hisham
On 21 Jun 2019, at 10:36, MENOG Secertariat <menog@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear Arash and all, The reason why I started this thread is to revaluate where this mailing list that has been quiet for over a year now is. (You have worked with me and know I am always keen on perfecting and enhancing everything we do). This list was created with initial gaols in mind which as I highlighted in pervious emails have been fulfilled. (This is actually something too be proud of) Having said that, there is nothing that keeps us as a group of roughly 100 people of setting new goals and measuring how effective we are in meeting them when the time comes. I would love to hear from you and hopefully others on the list what the technical community would like to achieve as goals and how they think this list can help them reach it. Regards Hisham
On 12 Jun 2019, at 09:02, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
Adding someone to a new list just because someone else is thinking to kill another list, bad practice.
Unsubscribe here and join any other list that you like, that’s the way it can be.
From: Shadi Shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 1:13 PM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> Cc: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>>; persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once. Its doable, isnt it?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>> Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>>; persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear all,
I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise.
Cheers,
Shadi Shahlapour
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>> wrote:
Salam Arash and Payam,
Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html>
The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog>
Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve.
I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
My two cents Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote:
Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join
According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog>
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote:
Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards Payam
From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir>
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir>
-- Shadi Shahlapour
Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir>
Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
Dear all, As we don’t seem to have reached consensus on what to do with this mailing list. I will propose to extend the deadline for comments till the 30th of July. As I stated in my previous email. I would love to hear from anyone keen to keep this list up and running what the new goals and objectives of this list will be to help benefit the local technical community in Iran. Regards Hisham :
Dear Arash and all, The reason why I started this thread is to revaluate where this mailing list that has been quiet for over a year now is. (You have worked with me and know I am always keen on perfecting and enhancing everything we do). This list was created with initial gaols in mind which as I highlighted in pervious emails have been fulfilled. (This is actually something too be proud of) Having said that, there is nothing that keeps us as a group of roughly 100 people of setting new goals and measuring how effective we are in meeting them when the time comes. I would love to hear from you and hopefully others on the list what the technical community would like to achieve as goals and how they think this list can help them reach it. Regards Hisham
On 12 Jun 2019, at 09:02, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
Adding someone to a new list just because someone else is thinking to kill another list, bad practice.
Unsubscribe here and join any other list that you like, that’s the way it can be.
From: Shadi Shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 1:13 PM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> Cc: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>>; persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once. Its doable, isnt it?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>> Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>>; persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear all,
I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise.
Cheers,
Shadi Shahlapour
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>> wrote:
Salam Arash and Payam,
Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html>
The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog>
Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve.
I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
My two cents Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote: > Hi Hisham > I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not >
There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join
According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog>
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net>> wrote: > Hi Hisham > I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. > There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: > - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently > - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well > - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR. > > > So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active. > > Best Regards > Payam > > From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim > Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM > To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> > Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role > > Dear colleagues and friends, > > The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort > to try to support the building and development of the local technical > community in Iran. > > > As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on > different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list > after successfully concluding its role. > > Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the > month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Persian-lir mailing list > Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir>
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Hi Hisham, As no one else was speaking up favour of keeping the mailing list active in past 30 days or coming up with new goals or objective of this list, I agree with you that this is the time to retire the list. I would like to thank you and your colleagues at RIPE NCC for supporting our local community. Best regards, Arash Naderpour P.S if someone is still not a member of “Iran LIR” telegram group you can join at: https://t.me/joinchat/BqbjWUdT5NF5MynHas1SYA From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: Friday, 28 June 2019 5:40 PM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> Cc: persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear all, As we don’t seem to have reached consensus on what to do with this mailing list. I will propose to extend the deadline for comments till the 30th of July. As I stated in my previous email. I would love to hear from anyone keen to keep this list up and running what the new goals and objectives of this list will be to help benefit the local technical community in Iran. Regards Hisham : Dear Arash and all, The reason why I started this thread is to revaluate where this mailing list that has been quiet for over a year now is. (You have worked with me and know I am always keen on perfecting and enhancing everything we do). This list was created with initial gaols in mind which as I highlighted in pervious emails have been fulfilled. (This is actually something too be proud of) Having said that, there is nothing that keeps us as a group of roughly 100 people of setting new goals and measuring how effective we are in meeting them when the time comes. I would love to hear from you and hopefully others on the list what the technical community would like to achieve as goals and how they think this list can help them reach it. Regards Hisham On 12 Jun 2019, at 09:02, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > wrote: Adding someone to a new list just because someone else is thinking to kill another list, bad practice. Unsubscribe here and join any other list that you like, that’s the way it can be. From: Shadi Shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 1:13 PM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > Cc: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net> >; persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once. Its doable, isnt it? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour < <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote: You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG? From: shadi shahlapour < <mailto:shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim < <mailto:hmi@ripe.net> hmi@ripe.net> Cc: Arash Naderpour < <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> arash_mpc@parsun.com>; <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear all, I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise. Cheers, Shadi Shahlapour On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim < <mailto:hmi@ripe.net> hmi@ripe.net> wrote: Salam Arash and Payam, Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points. This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015. During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG). So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch. You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will. We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit. It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels. This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018). The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers) I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve. I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it. My two cents Hisham On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied < <mailto:payam@rasana.net> payam@rasana.net> wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018. The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour < <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote: Hi, I agree with Payam, Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication. I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members. Regards, Arash Naderpour On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied < <mailto:payam@rasana.net> payam@rasana.net> wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR. So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active. Best Regards Payam From: Persian-lir < <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear colleagues and friends, The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran. As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role. Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July. _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> Persian-lir@ripe.net <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> Persian-lir@ripe.net <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir -- Shadi Shahlapour _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
Dear Arash , I agree with you , but i guess the main reason that no one is using this distribution list is : - no one knows who are in the list of persian LIR , because usually we are looking to talk with specific person to answer a question in group then in private , - the main communication tools for most if iranian are Telegram and Whatsapp , and they are sure that everyone has a telegram account but they are not sure that the person has an email and that email is member of Persian LIR , Than you Arash for all your support , Regards , Mayssam Rahmatian On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:03 PM Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Hi Hisham,
As no one else was speaking up favour of keeping the mailing list active in past 30 days or coming up with new goals or objective of this list, I agree with you that this is the time to retire the list.
I would like to thank you and your colleagues at RIPE NCC for supporting our local community.
Best regards,
Arash Naderpour
P.S if someone is still not a member of “Iran LIR” telegram group you can join at: https://t.me/joinchat/BqbjWUdT5NF5MynHas1SYA
*From:* Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Hisham Ibrahim *Sent:* Friday, 28 June 2019 5:40 PM *To:* Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> *Cc:* persian-lir@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear all,
As we don’t seem to have reached consensus on what to do with this mailing list.
I will propose to extend the deadline for comments till the 30th of July.
As I stated in my previous email.
I would love to hear from anyone keen to keep this list up and running what the new goals and objectives of this list will be to help benefit the local technical community in Iran.
Regards
Hisham
:
Dear Arash and all,
The reason why I started this thread is to revaluate where this mailing list that has been quiet for over a year now is. (You have worked with me and know I am always keen on perfecting and enhancing everything we do).
This list was created with initial gaols in mind which as I highlighted in pervious emails have been fulfilled. (This is actually something too be proud of)
Having said that, there is nothing that keeps us as a group of roughly 100 people of setting new goals and measuring how effective we are in meeting them when the time comes.
I would love to hear from you and hopefully others on the list what the technical community would like to achieve as goals and how they think this list can help them reach it.
Regards
Hisham
On 12 Jun 2019, at 09:02, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Adding someone to a new list just because someone else is thinking to kill another list, bad practice.
Unsubscribe here and join any other list that you like, that’s the way it can be.
*From:* Shadi Shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 June 2019 1:13 PM *To:* Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> *Cc:* Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net>; persian-lir@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Yes, and not necessarily needed to be one by one. Probably there should be a way to do all at once.
Its doable, isnt it?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
*From:* shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM *To:* Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> *Cc:* Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com>; persian-lir@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear all,
I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community.
With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one.
Please advise.
Cheers,
Shadi Shahlapour
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> wrote:
Salam Arash and Payam,
Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives.
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html
The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG.
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve.
I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
My two cents
Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote:
Hi Hisham
I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
There was not automatic enrolment to this list.
All members that have joined decided to join
According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015.
During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as:
- Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi
- Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6
- Building a National NOG
- Host a MENOG event in Iran
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago.
But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote:
Hi Hisham
I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not.
There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings:
- Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently
- Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well
- Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards
Payam
*From:* Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Hisham Ibrahim *Sent:* June 4, 2019 4:49 PM *To:* persian-lir@ripe.net *Subject:* [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
--
Shadi Shahlapour
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_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
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Actually i have a better idea, We can send the link through this mailing list to all members and ask them to register in the new one if they are still interested. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
You mean adding every registered email in this list to the new/local IRNOG?
From: shadi shahlapour <shadi.shahlapour@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 11:40 AM To: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> Cc: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com>; persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear all,
I exactly remember all the points that Hisham mentioned. Based on what we discussed during the lunch meeting in Tehran, this mailing list supposed to be a temporary and just for supporting and helping us to build our own community. With all the hard works, now we have IRNOG and what if we use the domain for moving the registered email addresses to the new/local one. Please advise.
Cheers,
Shadi Shahlapour
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> wrote: Salam Arash and Payam,
Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points.
This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015.
During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG).
So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch.
You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html
The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will.
We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit.
It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels.
This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018).
The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers)
I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve.
I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it.
My two cents Hisham
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not
There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join
According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018.
The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog
On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Payam,
Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication.
I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net> wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR.
So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active.
Best Regards Payam
From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role
Dear colleagues and friends,
The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran.
As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role.
Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July.
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
_______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
-- Shadi Shahlapour
Hi Hesham, Iranian NCC members are not all necessarily technical, many new RIPE NCC members are joining to just get the /22, things have been changed a lot since 2012. Telegram is filtered in Iran, having a reliable and independent communication channel just for Iranian LIRs is something I would like to have, even if I don’t use it every day. and I still cannot see how removing a list can benefit the NCC members, am I miss anything here? Regards, Arash From: Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2019 6:20 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net>; persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Salam Arash and Payam, Thank you for your feedback on this, and allow me to try to address some of your points. This mailing list was set up as one of the action items that came out of the member lunch in Tehran back in 2015. During that meeting there was a lot of discussion about the community self organising itself to do more translation into Farsi as well as building a national platform (NOG). So I suggested the list as a means to continue the discussion beyond the member lunch. You can see this in one of the very first threads on the archives. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/persian-lir/2015-July/000006.html The list has always been open to anyone interested to subscribe or even unsubscribe at their will. We agreed during the member lunch not to automatically enrolled anyone to the list, and leave it to the interested individuals to contribute as they saw fit. It was also agreed that this would be a “temporary” list till the community builds up the NOG and develops the other communication channels. This was also reflected in blog post by Milad Afshari & Shahin Gharghi about the creation of IRNOG. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog Before sending out the email to retire the list I looked up the archives and found that the last discussion thread dated back to over a year ago (April 2018). The number of subscribers that leave keep on increasing as they have found the other channels more informative (currently the list has roughly 100 subscribers) I would hate for the list to just be there in name with zero added value to the community that it was set up to serve. I personally feel the list has delivered on the goals that it was set up to do and should the need ever present itself we can always relaunch it. My two cents Hisham On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net> > wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not There was not automatic enrolment to this list. All members that have joined decided to join According to the mailing list archives the last discussion thread on the list dates back to April 2018. The Mailing list was set up after the member lunch we had in Tehran back in 2015. During that member lunch many topics were discussed such as: - Crowd sourcing translating useful technical documents into Farsi - Getting more qualified technical trainers that can train on IPv6 - Building a National NOG - Host a MENOG event in Iran https://labs.ripe.net/Members/milad_afshari_1/the-first-iranian-nog-irnog On 10 Jun 2019, at 04:26, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > wrote: Hi, I agree with Payam, Back to 2015, this list was not created to support building and development of technical community in Iran, they were already established years ago. But mostly was created to let the Iranian NCC members have an easy channel of communication. I still like to have this channel open, not sure how removing the list can benefit the members. Regards, Arash Naderpour On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:04 PM Payam Poursaied <payam@rasana.net <mailto:payam@rasana.net> > wrote: Hi Hisham I wonder to know whether all Persian LIRs enrolled automatically to the list at the beginning or not. There are a couple of Telegram channels which somehow Iranian techies communicate. But there are some shortcomings: - Telegram is filtered (!), so it is not such a communication channel checks by all members frequently - Whatsapp discloses phone numbers in the groups, that why it didn’t go well - Some of the major players do not show up in the telegram channels at all, particularly government bodies and financial institutes who are LIR. So if this list includes all of them, it could be an excellent potential to move part of technical discussions/follow-ups here and make it active. Best Regards Payam From: Persian-lir <persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net> > On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: June 4, 2019 4:49 PM To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [Persian-lir] Retiring the Persian-LIR list after successfully concluding its role Dear colleagues and friends, The Persian-LIR mailing list was established back in 2015 in an effort to try to support the building and development of the local technical community in Iran. As the discussions seem to have naturally moved to these channels on different messaging platforms, I think it is time to retire this list after successfully concluding its role. Unless there are any major objections to doing so by the end of the month, this mailing list will be deactivated by the beginning of July. _______________________________________________ Persian-lir mailing list Persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:Persian-lir@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/persian-lir
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Arash Naderpour -
Hisham Ibrahim -
Mayssam Rahmatian -
MENOG Secertariat -
Payam Poursaied -
shadi shahlapour -
Shadi Shahlapour