Dear Arash, It does make sense. And I can grantee that both the RIPE NCC and MENOG are working on achieving that goal soon. Hisham
On 08 Dec 2016, at 02:31, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Hi Hisham,
There is no doubt here that this effort is to increase the number of qualified accredited MENOG trainers, What I was trying to say is that it should be hosted in Iran for Persian speaking participants instead of asking them to travel to Turkey. It could be cheaper (for RIPE NCC as financer) and easier for Iranian participant, hope it does make sense.
Cheers,
Arash
From: Hisham Ibrahim [mailto:hmi@ripe.net] Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 6:24 PM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: persian-lir@ripe.net Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Fwd: [menog] TTT call for candidates - IPv6
Trust me Arash when I say, this is an effort to increase the number of MENOG IPv6 Roadshows in both Iran and Turkey. Think of it, if we have 7 or 8 highly qualified accredited MENOG trainers in the country, that speak the language, wouldn’t that help increase the number of Roadshows and the benefit of even doing them 100% in the local language? Wouldn’t that help IRNOG and TRNOG build and develop local talent? This is a positive move in the right direction and that is why it is supported and financed by the RIPE NCC. In fact it is the next level of capacity building, where you do not only train people on new technologies, you train them on how to teach others. And knowing the IR technical community, I expect a huge number of qualified applicants, which will allow both MENOG and RIPE NCC to justify doing more after the accreditation of the first group. Hisham
On 07 Dec 2016, at 11:10, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
That was my point, which seems to be missed, RIPE NCC is covering the travel expenses for those are interested to attend MENOG training course from Iran, instead of MENOG hosting it in Iran witch can attract lower charges. I know this is not a RIPE NCC course and MENOG has its own policies when it comes to traveling to Iran, but as a RIPE NCC member I think it is not really well managed (from budget allocation point of view)
Hope one day we see MENOG training activities in Iran, we already had a regional RIPE NCC meeting in Tehran.
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
From: Hisham Ibrahim [mailto:hmi@ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>] Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 5:45 PM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> Cc: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [Persian-lir] Fwd: [menog] TTT call for candidates - IPv6
Hi Arash,
On 07 Dec 2016, at 10:27, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
Hi Hisham,
Sorry to see MENOG cannot do it in Iran for Farsi-speakers, That RIPE NCC travel budget can be used in much better ways; instead of paying for airfare and accommodation of several Farsi Speaking,
This has nothing to do with travel budget, as you can see we are happy to cover the expenses for those interested in attending. It has to do with the amount of human recourses and preparation it takes our training department to organise such workshop which only allows us to organise one Train the Trainer workshop. As it is very different in the methodology of how the workshop is designed (see: Methodology, http://www.menog.org/ipv6-roadshow/ttt/ <http://www.menog.org/ipv6-roadshow/ttt/>) I can tell you for the last two TTT workshops:
1) In Dubai 2015, we have had 15 attendees from 4 countries that all flew into Dubai for the workshop, only two were accredited based on the workshop Methodology
2) In Moscow 2016, we have had 15 attendees from 6 countries that all flew into Moscow (even from Ukraine), and till now none of the attendees have finished their accreditation process.
The reality is, we can do more than one TTT workshop a year and have it up to the standards we feel acceptable.
Would you rather wait a year to have it hosted in IR or help kickstart the IRNOG with qualified Farsi speaking trainers that are getting accredited as MENOG trainers?
Trainers could travel to Iran. Do you have any plan to do that in Tehran in the year 2017?
I know that there is a training request to go into IR, and I know our training department are in discussion with the host on the kind of workshop they would like to deliver. I assume the workshop will be scheduled for Q2Y17.
Please kindly let us know what would be the course outline and who is the trainer (and some training background if possible), that will help community to decide if it is beneficial for them to take it on.
The workshop will teach and go over the “IPv6 for ISPs” and the “IPv6 for Enterprise” material. The workshop will cover both the theoretical parts of the courses as well as how to build and configure the labs for the hands-on side part of the workshops. It will discuss best delivery methods, best way to cognise events and also test the presentation and technical skills of the attendees.
I hope this covers you questions Regards Hisham
Regards,
Arash Naderpour
From: Persian-lir [mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Hisham Ibrahim Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 5:31 AM To: persian-lir@ripe.net <mailto:persian-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [Persian-lir] Fwd: [menog] TTT call for candidates - IPv6
Dear all, For those interested in becoming a MENOG accredited IPv6 Roadshow trainer. Regards Hisham
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From: KHALID SAMARA <pc-chair@menog.org <mailto:pc-chair@menog.org>> Subject: [menog] TTT call for candidates - IPv6 Date: 6 December 2016 at 18:35:06 GMT+4 To: "menog@menog.org <mailto:menog@menog.org>" <menog@menog.org <mailto:menog@menog.org>>
IPv6 Roadshow - Train The Trainer Call for Candidates
The Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG) is issuing a new Call for Candidates who are interested in becoming MENOG accredited IPv6 Roadshow trainers for native Turkish and Farsi speakers.
The IPv6 Roadshows are a joint initiative from MENOG and the RIPE NCC, offering three-day workshops targeted at governments, Internet Service Providers and enterprise network operators.
The workshop will build on prior successful collaboration between the RIPE NCC, MENOG and the Eurasia Network Operator Group (ENOG) on conducting the first two Train the Trainer workshops:
- 2015, Dubai, UAE, aimed at accrediting Arabic-speaking trainers. - 2016, Moscow, Russia, aimed at accrediting Russian-speaking trainers.
The aim of this workshop is to support the local Turkish and Farsi speaking communities within the MENOG region in sharing and building expertise on the latest IPv6 deployment techniques in their native tongue. It is designed to train and build a diverse pool of highly skilled local trainers capable of delivering national and regional training courses and workshops.
Dates: 27 February – 3 March 2017 Location: Istanbul, Turkey Deadline for submission: 20 January 2017
The RIPE NCC will cover airfare and accommodation costs for the selected participants.
For additional information on how to apply please visit http://www.menog.org/ipv6-roadshow/ttt/ <http://www.menog.org/ipv6-roadshow/ttt/>
Or email the MENOG secretariat at menog@ripe.net <mailto:menog@ripe.net>.
Regards Khalid Samara MENOG PC Chair
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