Certifying of PI End User Address Space
Hey Andrew, I was hoping PI-space would eventually be coverd by RPKI. As a PI-space holder, who is not a RIPE NCC member, I would prefer option 2. Since the sponsoring LIR (in our case Deutsche Telekom) already has a contractual relationship with the RIPE NCC, this seems to be the straightforward approach. Option 3 is also okay although I understand the issue of non-members benefiting of RIPE-NCC services. If it comes to that, I am prepared to pay a fee as well ;-) Regards, Markus de Brün
Following the consultation period as noted in the mail sent to the mailing list on 11 February on the issue of RPKI/Certification of Provider Independent (PI) resources for End Users, the RIPE NCC Executive Board discussed the issue at some length during their recent meeting on 26th March. After reviewing all feedback from the mailing list, the Board concluded that, as there is still disquiet about certification of resources in general and, in addition, as certification of resources to PI End Users is a service to be offered to non-members as well as to the RIPE NCC membership, the wider Internet community should have input into the decision-making process. The Board has therefore decided that the RIPE NCC should not offer RPKI/Certification for PI resources at this time. The Executive Board encourages interested parties to propose a community policy for the certification of PI End User resources through the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP). Nigel Titley Chairman RIPE NCC Board
nigel, i am a bit confused, which of course is my normal state. but someone has to say it. certification is a matter of address policy, no membership vote, no board decision. maybe we should consult an oracle or flip a coin? i did not realize that bottom up was just a drinking toast. the pi proposal was controversial but there was no disagreement. let's see if we can generate some? this needs to be discussed by "the wider Internet community." i thought these fora were the wider community. how do you plan to consult the wider internet community, icann or the itu? so please explain to me. on second thought, don't bother. we have heard the word from the mount. unfortunately it is not very stable. but such is life. i live in an earthquake zone. randy
Hi Randy,
i am a bit confused, which of course is my normal state. but someone has to say it.
I'm sure it isn't just you who is a bit confused here Randy, I'm somewhat younger and I'm a bit confused as well. This has been going from policy to member vote to 'Feedback Request by NCC' to board. And now it back to policy ? Anyhow ... On the part of process, the question that we should have an answer to is: (I think) Should 'nonmember address space' be eligible for certification. I specifically phrased it as nonmember, as we will not only have PI End-Users, but we might also have legacy space holders that might want to do so. I'm willing to put that on a policy proposal and see where we end up. Erik Bais
On 12/04/2013 11:15, Erik Bais wrote:
Hi Randy,
i am a bit confused, which of course is my normal state. but someone has to say it. I'm sure it isn't just you who is a bit confused here Randy, I'm somewhat younger and I'm a bit confused as well.
This has been going from policy to member vote to 'Feedback Request by NCC' to board. And now it back to policy ? Anyhow ... No, PI certification has never had a policy proposal. This went straight from "Operational consultation by NCC" to "Discussion on the ncc-services list" to "Board decision not to offer the service without a community policy"
On the part of process, the question that we should have an answer to is: (I think) Should 'nonmember address space' be eligible for certification. Indeed. Feel free to propose a policy
I specifically phrased it as nonmember, as we will not only have PI End-Users, but we might also have legacy space holders that might want to do so.
I'm willing to put that on a policy proposal and see where we end up. Excellent. Please go ahead
Nigel
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Randy Bush