..Specially for Elena Kushnir Are you telling all of us how and from where Ukrainians should work for the victory of Ukraine?. My friends spend half of their time abroad, as they are engaged in the search and delivery of humanitarian help and cars for the Armed Forces. Our Ukrainians have even visited every military store in Europe. My sister has been living in Germany for more than 10 years, and she has been volunteering since 2014. And in general, statements that the Ukrainian diaspora, wherever it is (Canada, Spain, Poland) should not interfere in internal Ukrainian affairs, are outrageous and offend millions of Ukrainians. Choose your words more carefully. Better let's go back to 1) the question of how to protect Ukrainian Internet resources from theft, and to avoid coordination monopolization of the IP transfers by one state body, which is a direct path to corruption. 2) spam mailing from Oleksandr Fedienko, which explicitly calls to vote for the blocking of resources, without explaining the consequences of such a rash decision. -- Best regards, Alexandra Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:41:20 +0100 From: ????? ?????? <kea@webpro.net.ua> To: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442@gmail.com> Cc: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>, Viktoriia Opanasiuk <viktoriia.opanasiuk@gmail.com>, ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] UA IP transfers situation Message-ID: <BB7516C9-339A-4E4E-880A-43168767CB75@webpro.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Good afternoon, I congratulate Maksym Tulyev?s good friend - Mr. Leonid Khorolets ( I am attaching a photo of these friends) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419278544911556&set=p.419278544911556&type=3 <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419278544911556&set=p.419278544911556&type=3> I am the director and co-owner of the company WEB PRO, UKRAINIAN LIR Registry ID:ua.webpro, a communication operator that continues to work under bombs. I am not a person from the authorities, I have nothing to do with government bodies (these are only my clients), I do not trade IP addresses compared to YOU, and first of all I think about the security of my network and other operators. Also, I represent not only my interests, but also the interests of the Internet Association of Ukraine, which delegated me to the conference. AS A BOARD MEMBER, MAXIM TULYEV has done nothing since 2014 except to protect his business by making money from the sale of IP addresses. Thank you for your support of Ukraine, I hope this will continue to be the solution. Pay attention, we are not talking about any financial restrictions of citizens of Ukraine, every day we are constantly cyberattacked by IP addresses, this is one of the components of the issue of cyber security. I support the proposals that we, representatives of the public sector, voiced at the conference. I remind you that we look for constructive discussions and are looking for solutions. I continue many consultations on our issue, collect the evidence base both with the help of coercion, threats to life and forged documents, the operators were left without networks. This is the first step to IP transfer And let me remind, that Ukrainian comunity LIR to be those that are currently in Ukraine, not in Spain! I want to summarize - this hysteria that is happening gives me strength. Because we are on the right path. Together we will win! ___ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua
Good day All, I am sincerely grateful to Alexandra for her letter, because I probably didn't express myself correctly. Since the first day of the war in 2014, the WEB PRO company has helped the military with huge sums of money, just like millions of Ukrainians, from all over the world do everything possible and impossible for our victory, and collect money every day. In our country, even children sell fruit on the street - and the money received will be donated to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. That is why we are UKRAINIANS. And I didn't mean volunteers, because they have no nationality, territorial affiliation, or religious definition. Because this work is carried out at the call of the heart. I am sincerely grateful to you, your sister and friends, everyone who helps in this difficult moment, Jan, Santos, Daniel, Rene and hundreds of other people from the "Keep Ukraine Connected" project, and volunteers from other important projects. Once again, thank you bow! I meant people who once had a passport of Ukraine, now have a passport of a terrorist state, and continue doing business there. In my opinion, they are not part of the Ukrainian LIR community. They made their choice. They have no right to influence our internal affairs while our defenders, children, women and the elderly are dying. Now regarding Mr. Fedienko, it is very good that he wrote here, because he has already been mentioned many times. It is good that the community understands that he is not just a person in power, but a person who worked in the telecom sphere for many years and headed the Internet Association of Ukraine for more than one term. For a constructive solution to the issue, a dialogue is needed, because I, like you, am against state interference in business. Thank you for the important question raised by Mr. Maksym Tuliev and you "while protecting resources and its holders is very important in distress areas, I have to remind you that Ukraine is a way not a democratic country. If we want to really protect resources and holders, we have to avoid any interaction with the Ukrainian government in any way. In practice, "Review of requests by national governments" means you will have to pay a huge bribe to get a letter of authorization from the government. They all understand well the price of transfers... Sorry, it is sad, but true." "1) the question of how to protect Ukrainian Internet resources from theft, and to avoid coordination monopolization of the IP transfers by one state body, which is a direct path to corruption." I HAVE A QUESTION: 1. Please explain to me and the community how, with a complete ban on IP transfers, external and internal, how the state can influence or steal IP addresses. Technically, physically or legally? Maybe I don't understand some mechanisms, but I don't know something. 2. Who buys IP addresses in Ukraine cheaply? What examples do you know when someone bought IP addresses for cheap? Thanks for the answer. _______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua
1 лист. 2022 р. о 07:59 Askochenskaya Alexandra <askoch@merezha.net> написав(ла):
..Specially for Elena Kushnir
Are you telling all of us how and from where Ukrainians should work for the victory of Ukraine?. My friends spend half of their time abroad, as they are engaged in the search and delivery of humanitarian help and cars for the Armed Forces. Our Ukrainians have even visited every military store in Europe.
My sister has been living in Germany for more than 10 years, and she has been volunteering since 2014.
And in general, statements that the Ukrainian diaspora, wherever it is (Canada, Spain, Poland) should not interfere in internal Ukrainian affairs, are outrageous and offend millions of Ukrainians. Choose your words more carefully.
Better let's go back to
1) the question of how to protect Ukrainian Internet resources from theft, and to avoid coordination monopolization of the IP transfers by one state body, which is a direct path to corruption.
2) spam mailing from Oleksandr Fedienko, which explicitly calls to vote for the blocking of resources, without explaining the consequences of such a rash decision.
-- Best regards, Alexandra
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:41:20 +0100 From: ????? ?????? <kea@webpro.net.ua> <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua> To: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442@gmail.com> <mailto:inetcomas29442@gmail.com> Cc: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> <mailto:gert@space.net>, Viktoriia Opanasiuk <viktoriia.opanasiuk@gmail.com> <mailto:viktoriia.opanasiuk@gmail.com>, ncc-services-wg@ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] UA IP transfers situation Message-ID: <BB7516C9-339A-4E4E-880A-43168767CB75@webpro.net.ua> <mailto:BB7516C9-339A-4E4E-880A-43168767CB75@webpro.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Good afternoon, I congratulate Maksym Tulyev?s good friend - Mr. Leonid Khorolets ( I am attaching a photo of these friends) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419278544911556&set=p.419278544911556&type=3 <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419278544911556&set=p.419278544911556&type=3><https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419278544911556&set=p.419278544911556&type=3> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419278544911556&set=p.419278544911556&type=3>
I am the director and co-owner of the company WEB PRO, UKRAINIAN LIR Registry ID:ua.webpro, a communication operator that continues to work under bombs. I am not a person from the authorities, I have nothing to do with government bodies (these are only my clients), I do not trade IP addresses compared to YOU, and first of all I think about the security of my network and other operators. Also, I represent not only my interests, but also the interests of the Internet Association of Ukraine, which delegated me to the conference. AS A BOARD MEMBER, MAXIM TULYEV has done nothing since 2014 except to protect his business by making money from the sale of IP addresses. Thank you for your support of Ukraine, I hope this will continue to be the solution. Pay attention, we are not talking about any financial restrictions of citizens of Ukraine, every day we are constantly cyberattacked by IP addresses, this is one of the components of the issue of cyber security. I support the proposals that we, representatives of the public sector, voiced at the conference. I remind you that we look for constructive discussions and are looking for solutions. I continue many consultations on our issue, collect the evidence base both with the help of coercion, threats to life and forged documents, the operators were left without networks. This is the first step to IP transfer
And let me remind, that Ukrainian comunity LIR to be those that are currently in Ukraine, not in Spain!
I want to summarize - this hysteria that is happening gives me strength. Because we are on the right path.
Together we will win!
___ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua/> --
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01.11.22 12:23, Олена Кушнір пише:
I HAVE A QUESTION: 1. Please explain to me and the community how, with a complete ban on IP transfers, external and internal, how the state can influence or steal IP addresses. Technically, physically or legally? Maybe I don't understand some mechanisms, but I don't know something. 2. Who buys IP addresses in Ukraine cheaply? What examples do you know when someone bought IP addresses for cheap?
All the time you said you want to block transfers outside Ukraine. Something was changed? What? Why? If the market will be closed inside Ukraine suffering from the war, buy offers will drop to almost none. So beneficiary of that scheme will buy it for cheap, and then after ban will be lifted (and 2 years passed, of course) - to sell these resources for the real price. I do not think it is too difficult to understand for everyone. Limiting the income in a such complicated time can also lead to bankruptcy of ISPs that will be possible to buy for cheap as the companies as well.
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Askochenskaya Alexandra -
Max Tulyev -
Олена Кушнір