Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
Dear colleagues, At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points: - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board. We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
Dear Hans Petter Holen, thank you very much for the good and balanced decision! I believe you will see there are no problems with the majority of such transfers. During the further discussion I would ask you to invite all people interested, not only one team. Thank you again! 02.11.22 17:26, Hans Petter Holen пише:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues, It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities. Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good. Your comprehension are greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Olha Sira On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you that open company registries are not available during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions. Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war. _______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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My transfer request also "stuck" in reality they are from me to me but in a different country, 6 weeks already :( On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you *that open company registries are not available* during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Yes, that is right the same situation From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Артем Зубков Sent: Monday, December 05, 2022 9:01 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks My transfer request also "stuck" in reality they are from me to me but in a different country, 6 weeks already :( On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua> > wrote: Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you that open company registries are not available during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions. Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war. _______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua> 5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com> > написав(ла): Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues, It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities. Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good. Your comprehension are greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Olha Sira On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net> > wrote: Dear colleagues, At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points: - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board. We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg -- С уважением, Артем КСТ
My ticket was opened at Nov 8, 2022, My transfer is also still waiting for the decision of RIPE NCC management in regards to the Ukrainian transfers. -- Alexander Buzaev 13 December 2022, 22:31:22, by "Yuri Demenin" <dem@bignet.ua>: Yes, that is right the same situation From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Артем Зубков Sent: Monday, December 05, 2022 9:01 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks My transfer request also "stuck" in reality they are from me to me but in a different country, 6 weeks already :( On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua> wrote: Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you that open company registries are not available during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions. Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war. _______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua 5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com> написав(ла): Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues, It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities. Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good. Your comprehension are greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Olha Sira On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote: Dear colleagues, At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points: - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board. We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg -- С уважением, Артем КСТ -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg
My LIR initiated transfer for me 26 of October 2022 and it is still under review. Olha Sira On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 2:27 PM Alexander Buzaev <alex.weeccomi@ukr.net> wrote:
My ticket was opened at Nov 8, 2022, My transfer is also still waiting for the decision of RIPE NCC management in regards to the Ukrainian transfers.
-- Alexander Buzaev
13 December 2022, 22:31:22, by "Yuri Demenin" <dem@bignet.ua>:
Yes, that is right the same situation
From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Артем Зубков Sent: Monday, December 05, 2022 9:01 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
My transfer request also "stuck" in reality they are from me to me but in a different country, 6 weeks already :(
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you that open company registries are not available during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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They even afraid to say a world "ban", that it is "under [infinitive] review". 14.12.22 17:13, Olha Sira пише:
My LIR initiated transfer for me 26 of October 2022 and it is still under review.
Olha Sira
On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 2:27 PM Alexander Buzaev <alex.weeccomi@ukr.net> wrote:
My ticket was opened at Nov 8, 2022, My transfer is also still waiting for the decision of RIPE NCC management in regards to the Ukrainian transfers.
-- Alexander Buzaev
13 December 2022, 22:31:22, by "Yuri Demenin" <dem@bignet.ua>:
Yes, that is right the same situation
From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Артем Зубков Sent: Monday, December 05, 2022 9:01 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
My transfer request also "stuck" in reality they are from me to me but in a different country, 6 weeks already :(
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you that open company registries are not available during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
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Dear Olena, I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you *that open company registries are not available* during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open *company registries are not available *at the moment. But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Indeed. There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And transfers works with them well. 06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
Dear Olena,
I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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We already known your and your master's opinion. The problem is neither you, nor him do not do any transfers... There is none of your resources or transfers, but you speak like all of them are yours. P.S. Olexandr Fedienko have just filled in parliament a new Ukrainian law draft to deny ukrainian ISPs to do IP transfers. "Just because". It looks very funny, but it does not. 05.12.22 20:49, Олена Кушнір пише:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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participants (8)
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Alexander Buzaev -
Hans Petter Holen -
Max Tulyev -
Max Tulyev -
Olha Sira -
Yuri Demenin -
Артем Зубков -
Олена Кушнір