New Document available: RIPE-301
New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-301 Title: Mergers, Acquisitions, Takeovers and Closures of Organisations Operating an LIR Author: Kamran Khalid Nurani Nimpuno Sabrina Wilmot Date: February 2004 Format: PDF=195891 TXT=13941 Obsoletes: ripe-185, ripe-241 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: Short content description ------------------------- This document provides guidelines to Local Internet Registries (LIRs) on the steps to take when the organisation operating an LIR changes ownership (due to a merger, sale or takeover) or stops serving entirely as an LIR. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website at the following URL:. http://www.ripe.net/docs/mergers.html The RIPE Document Store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.pdf PDF Version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.txt plain text version
Hi all, Some Comments: ====================== 2.7 Takeover Fee A takeover fee *doesnt* encourage anyone to report takeovers to RIPE-NCC. This "rule" doesnt help the RIPE-NCC improve the quality of the data regarding LIRs! 3.0 Closing a LIR Nice "wish-list", are closing LIRs going to waste any time doing it? 3.8 Database "inetnum, aut-num and domain objects": still thinking/writing only v4-ish... [add inet6num or inetnum(-type)] 4.0 "may decide": dont really like the wording. it needs objective boundaries! "significant period of time": which is? 1 year/2 years/3 years ??? "multiple warnings": boundaries again... "the LIR must then provide": i find this unbelievable -- people dont pay, or cant be reached, and even that way you state they have do provide data? :-) The last paragraph makes a LOT more sense! :-) ==================== Regards, ./Carlos -------------- IPv6 -> http://www.ip6.fccn.pt Wide Area Network Workgroup, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN FCCN - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional http://www.fccn.pt "Internet is just routes (131586/456), naming (millions) and... people!" On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service wrote:
New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store.
Ref: ripe-301 Title: Mergers, Acquisitions, Takeovers and Closures of Organisations Operating an LIR Author: Kamran Khalid Nurani Nimpuno Sabrina Wilmot Date: February 2004 Format: PDF=195891 TXT=13941 Obsoletes: ripe-185, ripe-241 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by:
Short content description -------------------------
This document provides guidelines to Local Internet Registries (LIRs) on the steps to take when the organisation operating an LIR changes ownership (due to a merger, sale or takeover) or stops serving entirely as an LIR.
Accessing the RIPE document store ---------------------------------
You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website at the following URL:.
http://www.ripe.net/docs/mergers.html
The RIPE Document Store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are:
ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.pdf PDF Version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.txt plain text version
Hi, On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:41:04PM +0000, Carlos Friacas wrote:
Some Comments:
====================== 2.7 Takeover Fee
A takeover fee *doesnt* encourage anyone to report takeovers to RIPE-NCC. This "rule" doesnt help the RIPE-NCC improve the quality of the data regarding LIRs!
Well - unless the takeover is reported, the "merged" LIR has to pay two times the yearly LIR fee. If they don't do that, allocations and eventually the reverse DNS delegation will be frozen... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 58081 (57882) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
At 03:41 PM 25-02-04 +0000, Carlos Friacas wrote:
3.0 Closing a LIR Nice "wish-list", are closing LIRs going to waste any time doing it?
From my experience - not one will *ever* inform RIPE. It is the last thing on their mind when closing shop.
4.0
"may decide": dont really like the wording. it needs objective boundaries! "significant period of time": which is? 1 year/2 years/3 years ??? "multiple warnings": boundaries again... "the LIR must then provide": i find this unbelievable -- people dont pay, or cant be reached, and even that way you state they have do provide data? :-) The last paragraph makes a LOT more sense! :-)
I won't discuss takeovers since they probably only constitute 5% of the defunct LIRs but rather LIRs that no longer exist (95%) which should be covered by this document (it states the word "closure" in the title). In section 3.0 it states "In the case of a closure of an LIR, the RIPE NCC should be contacted at least three months prior to the required closure date at lir-help@ripe.net. Only registered LIR contact person(s) can discuss a closure of an LIR with the RIPE NCC. In case of bankruptcy, the court-appointed administrator may take over these responsibilities." Real world example: In April 2001 (yup!) I informed RIPE to reclaim 212.77.128.0/23 since that Israeli LIR went bankrupt and no longer existed. No luck. In June 2002 I tried again and pointed out that Doarnet no longer even appears as a LIR at: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/indices/IL.html The answer I got back in June 2002 was "This IP range is a part of DoarNet Ltd's allocation. DoarNet Ltd's LIR is closed and we are going to take the whole allocation back in near future." (Ticket NCC#2002056720). Till today that IP range is still listed in whois. I have therefore not bothered to try to inform RIPE NCC of further "dead" IP ranges since it is a waste of my time as well as theirs. -Hank Nussbacher LIR: il.isoc and il.iucc
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Regards,
./Carlos -------------- IPv6 -> http://www.ip6.fccn.pt Wide Area Network Workgroup, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN FCCN - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional http://www.fccn.pt
"Internet is just routes (131586/456), naming (millions) and... people!"
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service wrote:
New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store.
Ref: ripe-301 Title: Mergers, Acquisitions, Takeovers and Closures of Organisations Operating an LIR Author: Kamran Khalid Nurani Nimpuno Sabrina Wilmot Date: February 2004 Format: PDF=195891 TXT=13941 Obsoletes: ripe-185, ripe-241 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by:
Short content description -------------------------
This document provides guidelines to Local Internet Registries (LIRs) on the steps to take when the organisation operating an LIR changes ownership (due to a merger, sale or takeover) or stops serving entirely as an LIR.
Accessing the RIPE document store ---------------------------------
You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website at the following URL:.
http://www.ripe.net/docs/mergers.html
The RIPE Document Store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are:
ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.pdf PDF Version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.txt plain text version
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