Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
Dear all We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed. What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets? Can you give please approximate date of feedback? There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru. All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful" actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much." What will we do next? -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote:
-------- Перенаправленное сообщение -------- Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200 От: Max Tulyev <president@ukraine.su> Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Indeed.
There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And transfers works with them well.
06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
Dear Olena,
I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Mrs. Yulia, or perhaps Mr. Tulyev, who writes on behalf of Yulia, are you not tired of breaking comedy here yet? It is really funny when the same person writes, from different companies, although he is the ultimate beneficiary of all these companies:) https://webber.net.ua/documents/index.html https://youcontrol.com.ua/ru/catalog/company_details/24578034/ Information about the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of a legal entity, including the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of its founder Тульєв Максим Валерійович Україна, 04213, місто Київ, пр.Героїв Сталінграда, будинок , квартира Maksym Valeriyovych Tuliev Ukraine, 04213, city of Kyiv, Heroiv Stalingrada Ave., building, apartment We are all waiting for the appropriate new rules to be developed, I personally do not see any problems here. Although here you can really remember the proverb, when the hat is on fire on the swindler. With respect to RIPE NCC Fediienko Olexandr Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine -----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Yuri Varenitsa Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 1:03 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Dear all We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed. What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets? Can you give please approximate date of feedback? There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru. All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful" actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much." What will we do next? -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote:
-------- Перенаправленное сообщение -------- Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200 От: Max Tulyev <president@ukraine.su> Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Indeed.
There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And transfers works with them well.
06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
Dear Olena,
I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Only you can do is to publish my personal data and link to a youcontrol company that you said is a corrupted non-representative source. And some slander, of course. It only shows the sample of ukrainian corrupted officials, and does not help to solve the problem in any way. 13.12.22 19:04, Федієнко Олександр Павлович via ncc-services-wg пише:
Mrs. Yulia, or perhaps Mr. Tulyev, who writes on behalf of Yulia, are you not tired of breaking comedy here yet?
It is really funny when the same person writes, from different companies, although he is the ultimate beneficiary of all these companies:) https://webber.net.ua/documents/index.html https://youcontrol.com.ua/ru/catalog/company_details/24578034/ Information about the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of a legal entity, including the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of its founder
Тульєв Максим Валерійович Україна, 04213, місто Київ, пр.Героїв Сталінграда, будинок , квартира Maksym Valeriyovych Tuliev Ukraine, 04213, city of Kyiv, Heroiv Stalingrada Ave., building, apartment
We are all waiting for the appropriate new rules to be developed, I personally do not see any problems here. Although here you can really remember the proverb, when the hat is on fire on the swindler.
With respect to RIPE NCC Fediienko Olexandr Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine
-----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Yuri Varenitsa Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 1:03 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
Dear all
We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed.
What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets? Can you give please approximate date of feedback?
There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru.
All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful" actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much."
What will we do next?
-- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa
On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote:
-------- Перенаправленное сообщение -------- Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200 От: Max Tulyev <president@ukraine.su> Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Indeed.
There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And transfers works with them well.
06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
Dear Olena,
I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Mr. Fedienko, my name is not Yulia, but Yuri. If I am not mistaken, we personally met several times. This is a working group, not a place to sort things out with Maxim Tuliev. I think you know his contacts very well in order to solve any questions of interest directly with him. If you have questions for me personally, you can ask them in private correspondence, or in personal communication. Here, I've asked specific questions about working issues that concern our customers, and, consequently, our company: what should we answer customers? When will transfers be answered? We have a lot of tickets stucked. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 13.12.2022 19:04, Федієнко Олександр Павлович wrote:
Mrs. Yulia, or perhaps Mr. Tulyev, who writes on behalf of Yulia, are you not tired of breaking comedy here yet?
It is really funny when the same person writes, from different companies, although he is the ultimate beneficiary of all these companies:) https://webber.net.ua/documents/index.html https://youcontrol.com.ua/ru/catalog/company_details/24578034/ Information about the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of a legal entity, including the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of its founder
Тульєв Максим Валерійович Україна, 04213, місто Київ, пр.Героїв Сталінграда, будинок , квартира Maksym Valeriyovych Tuliev Ukraine, 04213, city of Kyiv, Heroiv Stalingrada Ave., building, apartment
We are all waiting for the appropriate new rules to be developed, I personally do not see any problems here. Although here you can really remember the proverb, when the hat is on fire on the swindler.
With respect to RIPE NCC Fediienko Olexandr Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine
-----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Yuri Varenitsa Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 1:03 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
Dear all
We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed.
What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets? Can you give please approximate date of feedback?
There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru.
All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful" actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much."
What will we do next?
-- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa
On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote:
-------- Перенаправленное сообщение -------- Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200 От: Max Tulyev <president@ukraine.su> Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Indeed.
There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And transfers works with them well.
06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
Dear Olena,
I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Good evening I don't think I should introduce myself Although probably worth "Max Tulyev" Judging by the number of lira here, only the Tulievs communicate here -----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Федієнко Олександр Павлович via ncc-services-wg Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 7:05 PM To: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri@webber.net.ua>; ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Mrs. Yulia, or perhaps Mr. Tulyev, who writes on behalf of Yulia, are you not tired of breaking comedy here yet? It is really funny when the same person writes, from different companies, although he is the ultimate beneficiary of all these companies:) https://webber.net.ua/documents/index.html https://youcontrol.com.ua/ru/catalog/company_details/24578034/ Information about the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of a legal entity, including the ultimate beneficial owner (controller) of its founder Тульєв Максим Валерійович Україна, 04213, місто Київ, пр.Героїв Сталінграда, будинок , квартира Maksym Valeriyovych Tuliev Ukraine, 04213, city of Kyiv, Heroiv Stalingrada Ave., building, apartment We are all waiting for the appropriate new rules to be developed, I personally do not see any problems here. Although here you can really remember the proverb, when the hat is on fire on the swindler. With respect to RIPE NCC Fediienko Olexandr Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine -----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Yuri Varenitsa Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 1:03 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Dear all We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed. What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets? Can you give please approximate date of feedback? There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru. All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful" actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much." What will we do next? -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote:
-------- Перенаправленное сообщение -------- Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200 От: Max Tulyev <president@ukraine.su> Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Indeed.
There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And transfers works with them well.
06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
Dear Olena,
I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea@webpro.net.ua <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers." Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories. Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day. I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych@gmail.com <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled territories. But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 meeting. It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity outages, which cause absence of water and heating. But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards, Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
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