Dear Olga Syra and Paul BD, thank you for your correspondence and position, but I would like to start a discussion not about personalities, but about proposals, the transfer of IP addresses from Ukraine.
Thank you, Ms. Olga, for your answer. If you read my answer, please note that I wrote absolutely nothing about actions. My proposal was precisely in the direction that RIPE NCC should develop the policies itself, and until such time as it does not have them, block transfers of IP addresses from the territory of Ukraine. There were letters from the public that expressed a slightly different position, which I wrote about. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003654... I also believe that the current transfer procedure is imperfect and carries risks with regard to Ukraine's information security. That is why we really need to discuss this issue. Paul BD, thanks for your replies, but any suggestions? I don't have the resources, but I believe that there are risks in transferring IP addresses, especially in occupied territories. So, yes, new policies need to be developed to protect those LIRs that are delegated the use of IP addresses. I also see risks regarding state information resources that are based on and use IP addresses that, for example, belong to IP addresses that are not under the jurisdiction of Ukraine. I am confident that the RIPE NCC working group should look into these issues and make recommendations Paul BD, tell me who exactly I called and threatened? :) If we are talking about the text of Mr. Tulev, then he is fooling the society, and instead of being constructive, he continues to accuse that someone is threatening him. Maxim fled the country, so nobody is interested in his active life. Considering you are unconstructive, thanks for the chat, and goodbye. I don't know who your lawyer is, but he is right, give him congratulations.
Hello Alexander, It would help others to understand you better if you will be less emotional and will clarify below. On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 9:34 AM Федієнко Олександр Павлович via ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Thank you, Ms. Olga, for your answer.
If you read my answer, please note that I wrote absolutely nothing about actions.
It looks like you blame others for the lack of constructivity, but at the same time you propose nothing. Is it true?
My proposal was precisely in the direction that RIPE NCC should develop the policies itself, and until such time as it does not have them, block transfers of IP addresses from the territory of Ukraine.
For me it sounds like you think that RIPE NCC doesn't have any policy and you try to push them to invent something. But it isn't true, RIPE NCC has reliable transfer policy.
There were letters from the public that expressed a slightly different position, which I wrote about.
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003654...
Sorry, but the link shows me your email where you call us Tyleiv army, see attached screenshot.
I also believe that the current transfer procedure is imperfect and carries risks with regard to Ukraine's information security. That is why we really need to discuss this issue. So based on someone's beliefs RIPE NCC should block all transfers for Ukrainians, am I right? It isn't enough that we are suffering from war, so let there be more unreasonable restrictions.
Paul BD, thanks for your replies, but any suggestions?
Community, please pay attention to the below quote.
I don't have the resources, but I believe that there are risks in transferring IP addresses, especially in occupied territories.
So, yes, new policies need to be developed to protect those LIRs that are delegated the use of IP addresses.
I also see risks regarding state information resources that are based on and use IP addresses that, for example, belong to IP addresses that are not under the jurisdiction of Ukraine.
You are already a deputy, It would be easy to protect state resources if you create a legislation proposal to host state resources only with companies in the jurisdiction of Ukraine and on IP addresses registered for UA. Transfer forbition will not solve this problem. And there isn't a right place to write about this problem.
I am confident that the RIPE NCC working group should look into these issues and make recommendations
Do you know who are they?
Paul BD, tell me who exactly I called and threatened? :)
If we are talking about the text of Mr. Tulev, then he is fooling the society, and instead of being constructive, he continues to accuse that someone is threatening him. Maxim fled the country, so nobody is interested in his active life.
Considering you are unconstructive, thanks for the chat, and goodbye.
I don't know who your lawyer is, but he is right, give him congratulations.
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Федієнко Олександр Павлович wrote:
If you read my answer, please note that I wrote absolutely nothing about actions. My proposal was precisely in the direction that RIPE NCC should develop the policies itself, and until such time as it does not have them, block transfers of IP addresses from the territory of Ukraine.
You have to understand that IP addresses are public, they are not the property of Ukraine. Now whether or not you like it, there are legitimate resource holders in Kremlin-controlled territories that will migrate their LIRs to Russian companies. You also need to understand that the RIPE is a coordination center. Technically, the Internet does not require the RIPE in order to function. If the RIPE could no longer be trusted, the Internet would organize to do without it. As such, the RIPE must retain its neutrality in how it allocates and transfers resources.
Paul BD, thanks for your replies, but any suggestions?
Just as Olha Sira said, I consider the current practices to be reliable. I suggested that some cryptography could be used to sign off resources eventually.
I don't have the resources, but I believe that there are risks in transferring IP addresses, especially in occupied territories.
You earlier said that you already have such example cases. So please give us the examples so we can study them. I actually think that this happens very rarely. Besides, this problem is inherent to the under deployment of IPv6 in certain regions, including Ukraine. As such, if I were you, I would be working on getting Ukraine on the IPv6 Internet. You can ask Mr. Tulyev for your IPv6 connectivity. :)
Paul BD, tell me who exactly I called and threatened? :)
So far, quite a bunch of people on this mailing list who disagree with you. That's without mentioning all the constructive things you say on your Telegram channel. I have a full backup of it where the "delete message" is neutralized.
If we are talking about the text of Mr. Tulev, then he is fooling the society, and instead of being constructive, he continues to accuse that someone is threatening him. Maxim fled the country, so nobody is interested in his active life.
The threats to Mr. Tulyev are very real and can be found on public web sites, including government sites such as the NKRZI's.
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Федієнко Олександр Павлович