Re: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE tasks
In a message dated 20/08/03 17:34:19 W. Europe Daylight Time, kurtis@kurtis.pp.se writes: Personal attendance is a problem and is one of the issues that came out of the survey. From what I understand easier proxy voting is being worked on as well as on-line voting. Someone from RIPE NCC board or the RIPE NCC can probably give you more details. Folks, Indeed the board has been exploring how to allow as many members as possible to vote. I am afraid our legal counsel advised us that electronic voting is not legal in the Netherlands, and the current proxy mechanism is the only viable form. Cheers Daniele
At 03:09 PM 20-08-03 -0400, Bovio@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 20/08/03 17:34:19 W. Europe Daylight Time, kurtis@kurtis.pp.se writes: Personal attendance is a problem and is one of the issues that came out of the survey. From what I understand easier proxy voting is being worked on as well as on-line voting. Someone from RIPE NCC board or the RIPE NCC can probably give you more details.
Folks, Indeed the board has been exploring how to allow as many members as possible to vote. I am afraid our legal counsel advised us that electronic voting is not legal in the Netherlands, and the current proxy mechanism is the only viable form.
Well that more or less seals our fate since e-voting is out and proxy voting is limited to 2% of membership. From: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/articles-association.html Article 16, paragraph 4: "A proxy may not cast more than two percent (2%) of the total number of possible votes of all members of the association whether or not present or represented at the meeting." If i understand this correctly, if there are say 4000 LIR members (a wild guess, no idea); and say 50 attend the GM (wild guess - no idea how many generally attend); then you can only accept 80 proxy votes for a total of 130 voting members. To me this does not seem like true representation. How does the Executive Board intend to recify this? or not? -Hank
Cheers
Daniele
At 21/08/2003 09:40 +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Article 16, paragraph 4: "A proxy may not cast more than two percent (2%) of the total number of possible votes of all members of the association whether or not present or represented at the meeting."
If i understand this correctly, [...]
Hank, this means that *a* proxy cannot cast more than 2 % of the total possible votes. So the actual limit to proxies is n * 2%, where n is the number of attendees of the GM. cheers, Axel
On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 08:57 Europe/Amsterdam, Axel Pawlik wrote:
At 21/08/2003 09:40 +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Article 16, paragraph 4: "A proxy may not cast more than two percent (2%) of the total number of possible votes of all members of the association whether or not present or represented at the meeting."
If i understand this correctly, [...]
Hank,
this means that *a* proxy cannot cast more than 2 % of the total possible votes.
So the actual limit to proxies is n * 2%, where n is the number of attendees of the GM.
Axel, this doesn't sound right, given that attendance has usually between 10-20 members and I believe there are more than 0.5 proxie votes. Joao
At 21/08/2003 16:06 +0200, Joao Damas wrote:
this means that *a* proxy cannot cast more than 2 % of the total possible votes.
So the actual limit to proxies is n * 2%, where n is the number of attendees of the GM.
Axel,
this doesn't sound right, given that attendance has usually between 10-20 members and I believe there are more than 0.5 proxie votes.
The "2%" relate to the total votes possible, not to the number of attendees at the meeting. Each of the attendees of a General Meeting would be able to represent (in proxy) the votes of up to 2% of the total membership's votes. So Gerd is right in stating that...
I read this differently. *Each* attendee can cast 2% of all votes, so 50 members would be able to represent 100% of all LIRs....
regards, Axel
Hi, On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:40:25AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Article 16, paragraph 4: "A proxy may not cast more than two percent (2%) of the total number of possible votes of all members of the association whether or not present or represented at the meeting."
If i understand this correctly, if there are say 4000 LIR members (a wild guess, no idea); and say 50 attend the GM (wild guess - no idea how many generally attend); then you can only accept 80 proxy votes for a total of 130 voting members. To me this does not seem like true representation.
I read this differently. *Each* attendee can cast 2% of all votes, so 50 members would be able to represent 100% of all LIRs.... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 55575 (56535) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
In a message dated 20/08/03 17:34:19 W. Europe Daylight Time, kurtis@kurtis.pp.se writes: Daniele
Indeed the board has been exploring how to allow as many members as possible to vote. I am afraid our legal counsel advised us that electronic voting is not legal in the Netherlands, and the current proxy mechanism is the only viable form.
I can see several ways around this: - In Norway public votes on important questions (like joining the EU or not) does not have a legal foundation - they are only advisory to the parlament. We could make advisory electronic votes to advice the board on important matters (like the activity plan). But the legal responsiblity may still lie with the AGM or the Board (depending on desicions) - Are there other european countries where electronic voting is permitted ? If so, theese options could be explored. -hph
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