Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
Dear colleagues, I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1]. After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year. The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022. The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process. From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community. It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation. Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval. We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources. As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC [1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668...
Hi Hans Petter,
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
Awesome! Thank you and the board for getting this difficult step done.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
+1 much appreciated!
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
After making so much noise I feel I should volunteer here :)
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
I still think that limiting an LIR based on their own request shouldn’t be a problem, but ok, let’s work together on this and get a policy.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Sensible limitations, I have no problem with them.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
Sounds good, you shouldn’t need to involve yourself in the workflow. You have very experienced staff for that :)
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Thank you! Sander
Good morning, Dear Colleagues It seems we have been forced to miss such heated discussions. Forgive us, the UKRAINIAN community, because drones or missiles fall on us every day, there is no heat, water, and it is not always possible to even read all the work mail. But we continue to provide free Internet connection even in heating points, with concern for indomitable Ukrainians in different parts of the country (small video and photos in attach) I apologize for the slow response. It is difficult for me to imagine what business interests we hurt when we raised the issue of protecting our IP resources that we do not use for resale and enrichment. A whole army of people/companies appeared that have nothing to do with operator activity in Ukraine. And a well-fed person abroad will never understand a hungry person who is trying to survive. Because we think every day where to get diesel and the required number of generators. But analyzing the endless attack and terror with an endless number of letters, I understand that we are definitely on the right path. It has gone so far that someone here even allows themselves to fire the board members of RIPE NCC In any case, the topic we raised at the conference did not leave anyone indifferent, because the topic is very important. And surely the machinations will not pass easily. I thank Petter Hans, Athena and each of the board members for your work. Thank you for the open dialogue. You are incredible and have nerves of steel. You had to read hundreds of letters with quarrels. Unfortunately, for the sake of money, people lose face and cross forbidden red lines. Thanks to Sander Steffann and the guys from the Keep Ukraine Connected - Global NOG Alliance project for supporting Ukraine - I want to emphasize that YOU are our guardian angels! Many operators were able to resume work in the liberated territories thanks to you. We are in an inestimable debt to everyone who helps. Thank you everyone. Hugs _______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua _______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua
19 груд. 2022 р. о 15:30 Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> написав(ла):
Hi Hans Petter,
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
Awesome! Thank you and the board for getting this difficult step done.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
+1 much appreciated!
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
After making so much noise I feel I should volunteer here :)
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
I still think that limiting an LIR based on their own request shouldn’t be a problem, but ok, let’s work together on this and get a policy.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Sensible limitations, I have no problem with them.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
Sounds good, you shouldn’t need to involve yourself in the workflow. You have very experienced staff for that :)
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Thank you! Sander
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We know you are good in manipulations. But please, stop it. It is not your resources. It is not your money. So it is none of your business what to do with these transfers. 20.12.22 08:33, Олена Кушнір пише:
Good morning, Dear Colleagues
It seems we have been forced to miss such heated discussions. Forgive us, the UKRAINIAN community, because drones or missiles fall on us every day, there is no heat, water, and it is not always possible to even read all the work mail. But we continue to provide free Internet connection even in heating points, with concern for indomitable Ukrainians in different parts of the country (small video and photos in attach) I apologize for the slow response. It is difficult for me to imagine what business interests we hurt when we raised the issue of protecting our IP resources that we do not use for resale and enrichment. A whole army of people/companies appeared that have nothing to do with operator activity in Ukraine. And a well-fed person abroad will never understand a hungry person who is trying to survive. Because we think every day where to get diesel and the required number of generators. But analyzing the endless attack and terror with an endless number of letters, I understand that we are definitely on the right path.
It has gone so far that someone here even allows themselves to fire the board members of RIPE NCC In any case, the topic we raised at the conference did not leave anyone indifferent, because the topic is very important. And surely the machinations will not pass easily. I thank Petter Hans, Athena and each of the board members for your work. Thank you for the open dialogue. You are incredible and have nerves of steel. You had to read hundreds of letters with quarrels. Unfortunately, for the sake of money, people lose face and cross forbidden red lines.
Thanks to Sander Steffann and the guys from the Keep Ukraine Connected - Global NOG Alliance project for supporting Ukraine - I want to emphasize that YOU are our guardian angels! Many operators were able to resume work in the liberated territories thanks to you. We are in an inestimable debt to everyone who helps.
Thank you everyone. Hugs
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
19 груд. 2022 р. о 15:30 Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl <mailto:sander@steffann.nl>> написав(ла):
Hi Hans Petter,
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
Awesome! Thank you and the board for getting this difficult step done.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
+1 much appreciated!
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
After making so much noise I feel I should volunteer here :)
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
I still think that limiting an LIR based on their own request shouldn’t be a problem, but ok, let’s work together on this and get a policy.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Sensible limitations, I have no problem with them.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
Sounds good, you shouldn’t need to involve yourself in the workflow. You have very experienced staff for that :)
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Thank you! Sander
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A small note of how RIPE NCC listens to the community As we can read in working groups by name "Crimea papers ", created in 2014 WE beged RIPE NCC not to allow russians to take companies, we awared you that this escalation would come further What was the position on that topic? Let see some words: ____________________ The initial question was "will RIPE NCC hand resources to a LIR in Crimea, based on Russian papers" and the clear answer is "if said papers establish the existence of the LIR and substantiate the LIR's claims, yes". Richard Hartmann _______ I do not like civil wars, wars or similar events, however, shell we punish LIRs because they work in an area of conflict? Defnitely not. Shall we punish the end users? Definitely not. Turchanyi Geza ____________ That were the words, representing the position of RIPE NCC since 2014 So what changed? The war is the same. But now you are punishing end users))) End users of Ukraine. but still not russians , who are actually invaders. Best regards, Kseniia 20.12.2022 12:20, Max Tulyev пишет:
We know you are good in manipulations. But please, stop it.
It is not your resources. It is not your money. So it is none of your business what to do with these transfers.
20.12.22 08:33, Олена Кушнір пише:
Good morning, Dear Colleagues
It seems we have been forced to miss such heated discussions. Forgive us, the UKRAINIAN community, because drones or missiles fall on us every day, there is no heat, water, and it is not always possible to even read all the work mail. But we continue to provide free Internet connection even in heating points, with concern for indomitable Ukrainians in different parts of the country (small video and photos in attach) I apologize for the slow response. It is difficult for me to imagine what business interests we hurt when we raised the issue of protecting our IP resources that we do not use for resale and enrichment. A whole army of people/companies appeared that have nothing to do with operator activity in Ukraine. And a well-fed person abroad will never understand a hungry person who is trying to survive. Because we think every day where to get diesel and the required number of generators. But analyzing the endless attack and terror with an endless number of letters, I understand that we are definitely on the right path.
It has gone so far that someone here even allows themselves to fire the board members of RIPE NCC In any case, the topic we raised at the conference did not leave anyone indifferent, because the topic is very important. And surely the machinations will not pass easily. I thank Petter Hans, Athena and each of the board members for your work. Thank you for the open dialogue. You are incredible and have nerves of steel. You had to read hundreds of letters with quarrels. Unfortunately, for the sake of money, people lose face and cross forbidden red lines.
Thanks to Sander Steffann and the guys from the Keep Ukraine Connected - Global NOG Alliance project for supporting Ukraine - I want to emphasize that YOU are our guardian angels! Many operators were able to resume work in the liberated territories thanks to you. We are in an inestimable debt to everyone who helps.
Thank you everyone. Hugs
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
_______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
19 груд. 2022 р. о 15:30 Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl <mailto:sander@steffann.nl>> написав(ла):
Hi Hans Petter,
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
Awesome! Thank you and the board for getting this difficult step done.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
+1 much appreciated!
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
After making so much noise I feel I should volunteer here :)
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
I still think that limiting an LIR based on their own request shouldn’t be a problem, but ok, let’s work together on this and get a policy.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Sensible limitations, I have no problem with them.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
Sounds good, you shouldn’t need to involve yourself in the workflow. You have very experienced staff for that :)
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Thank you! Sander
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Good morning, Dear Colleagues It seems we have been forced to miss such heated discussions. Forgive us, the UKRAINIAN community, because drones or missiles fall on us every day, there is no heat, water, and it is not always possible to even read all the work mail. But we continue to provide free Internet connection even in heating points, with concern for indomitable Ukrainians in different parts of the country. I apologize for the slow response. It is difficult for me to imagine what business interests we hurt when we raised the issue of protecting our IP resources that we do not use for resale and enrichment. A whole army of people/companies appeared that have nothing to do with operator activity in Ukraine. And a well-fed person abroad will never understand a hungry person who is trying to survive. Because we think every day where to get diesel and the required number of generators. But analyzing the endless attack and terror with an endless number of letters, I understand that we are definitely on the right path. It has gone so far that someone here even allows themselves to fire the board members of RIPE NCC In any case, the topic we raised at the conference did not leave anyone indifferent, because the topic is very important. And surely the machinations will not pass easily. I thank Petter Hans, Athena and each of the board members for your work. Thank you for the open dialogue. You are incredible and have nerves of steel. You had to read hundreds of letters with quarrels. Unfortunately, for the sake of money, people lose face and cross forbidden red lines. Thanks to Sander Steffann and the guys from the Keep Ukraine Connected - Global NOG Alliance project for supporting Ukraine - I want to emphasize that YOU are our guardian angels! Many operators were able to resume work in the liberated territories thanks to you. We are in an inestimable debt to everyone who helps. Thank you everyone. Hugs _______________ Best regards, Olena Kushnir www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua/>
19 груд. 2022 р. о 15:30 Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> написав(ла):
Hi Hans Petter,
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
Awesome! Thank you and the board for getting this difficult step done.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
+1 much appreciated!
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
After making so much noise I feel I should volunteer here :)
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
I still think that limiting an LIR based on their own request shouldn’t be a problem, but ok, let’s work together on this and get a policy.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Sensible limitations, I have no problem with them.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
Sounds good, you shouldn’t need to involve yourself in the workflow. You have very experienced staff for that :)
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Thank you! Sander
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Dear Hans, I see a lot of words, but only one fact: it is unable to make a transfer since October because of (unofficial) ban exists. You did not have mandate (consensus) from the community, but in fact you did it. Please, retire yourself from your position. Save the RIPE/RIPE NCC relations! 19.12.22 16:18, Hans Petter Holen пише:
Dear colleagues,
I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1].
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
[1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668...
Hi Hans Petter,
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
+1
-Naeutral and impartial? What about placing the country RU, to those companies which are in Crimea?
But of course, you will not answer There was not a single restriction introduced for the aggressor country and the terrorist country.
-will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents.
Why should a company from LVIV or any other city in the West of Ukraine, should pay more for notarius? Should waste its time? And how will it protect companies in the controlled and near territories? If there are black notaries. especially there) These demands are for honest people to whom you make life more difficult. How to continue the transfer if the director signed the contract and went to the war? Run from the battlefield to the notary? And here I support Victor's idea. Come to us to write a policy. You will immediately become more and more transparent and neutral. -----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:19 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks Dear colleagues, I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1]. After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year. The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022. The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process. From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community. It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation. Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval. We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources. As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC [1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668... -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg
They are ignoring current policies, why to write a new one? Wake up. You are in a new reality. 19.12.22 17:47, Yuri Demenin пише:
And here I support Victor's idea. Come to us to write a policy. You will immediately become more and more transparent and neutral.
I just offered Ripe NCC to work in Ukrainian realities. without light, water and without heating -----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 6:29 PM To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks They are ignoring current policies, why to write a new one? Wake up. You are in a new reality. 19.12.22 17:47, Yuri Demenin пише:
And here I support Victor's idea. Come to us to write a policy. You will immediately become more and more transparent and neutral.
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Dear Hans Petter, I am the director and founder of the company. I did not change anything in the document. I made successfully persona validation. question: why should I go to a notary? to validate myself once again? Why didn't you implement such measures when the war began in 2014? When rus began to rob and transfer resources to ru? Or did the words of a few people at the conference suddenly open your eyes? Look how many people here are telling you that was not a voice of Ukrainian people. Make a survey. Ask the real owners. What do they think about the measures you would like to implement. Do not make the decision by your own. Ask Ukrainian end users, providers and lirs. That would be real democratic way. -- Alexander Buzaev 19 December 2022, 16:19:50, by "Hans Petter Holen" <hph+announce@ripe.net>: Dear colleagues, I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1]. After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year. The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022. The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process. From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community. It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation. Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval. We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources. As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC [1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668... -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg
+1 On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 5:56 PM Alexander Buzaev <alex.weeccomi@ukr.net> wrote:
Dear Hans Petter,
I am the director and founder of the company. I did not change anything in the document. I made successfully persona validation.
question: why should I go to a notary?
to validate myself once again?
Why didn't you implement such measures when the war began in 2014? When rus began to rob and transfer resources to ru?
Or did the words of a few people at the conference suddenly open your eyes?
Look how many people here are telling you that was not a voice of Ukrainian people.
Make a survey. Ask the real owners. What do they think about the measures you would like to implement. Do not make the decision by your own.
Ask Ukrainian end users, providers and lirs. That would be real democratic way.
-- Alexander Buzaev
*19 December 2022, 16:19:50, by "Hans Petter Holen" <hph+announce@ripe.net <hph+announce@ripe.net>>: *
Dear colleagues,
I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1].
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
[1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks:https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668...
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Hello. Just explain to me. Why, on the basis of a few people, were some rules adopted that apply to the whole country? Why has no one suggested discussing these rules with the Ukrainians? Why does RIPE accept the rules of a group where there are not even people who would have been in Ukraine during the war? And how can someone make decisions about how to certify documents if he has no idea how it works during a war? Why are Russians not blocked??? Why are these conditions accepted by us? For what? To help conserve resources? Has anyone asked for this? Ukrainians asked? Or requested by some persons associated with Ucontrol Checkbox: I want to save resources or not. It's all. Or take a survey about how I would like to conserve my resources. Do not complicate the already difficult life of Ukrainians. On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 3:18 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1].
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
[1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668...
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Sure. And I see NCC board made it's decision IGNORING the absence of consensus, made a huge problems to UA community in the time of hot war. They should retire. 20.12.22 11:26, Leonid Khorolets пише:
Hello.
Just explain to me.
Why, on the basis of a few people, were some rules adopted that apply to the whole country?
Why has no one suggested discussing these rules with the Ukrainians?
Why does RIPE accept the rules of a group where there are not even people who would have been in Ukraine during the war?
And how can someone make decisions about how to certify documents if he has no idea how it works during a war?
Why are Russians not blocked??? Why are these conditions accepted by us?
For what? To help conserve resources? Has anyone asked for this?
Ukrainians asked?
Or requested by some persons associated with Ucontrol
Checkbox: I want to save resources or not. It's all.
Or take a survey about how I would like to conserve my resources.
Do not complicate the already difficult life of Ukrainians.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 3:18 PM Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net <mailto:hph%2Bannounce@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1].
After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year.
The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022.
The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community.
It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources.
As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
[1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668... <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/003668.html>
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Alexander Buzaev -
Hans Petter Holen -
Kseniya Sokol -
Leonid Khorolets -
Max Tulyev -
Olha Sira -
Sander Steffann -
Yuri Demenin -
Олена Кушнір