Admin: request for "Company Registration documents"
Can anyone point me in the right direction (a ripe document?) which states a requirement for a(n existing) LIR to submit "company registration documents" to some admin clerk at the NCC? I cannot remember any such requirement to become a "registered company" as a prerequisite to becoming an LIR. I may be wrong. TIA, Wilfried.
Hi! Yes, yes. It is boring me too and delays registration for monthes until documents are gathered, translated and so...
Can anyone point me in the right direction (a ripe document?) which states a requirement for a(n existing) LIR to submit "company registration documents" to some admin clerk at the NCC?
I cannot remember any such requirement to become a "registered company" as a prerequisite to becoming an LIR. I may be wrong.
-- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO)
Dear Wilfried and all, This is stated in the Terms and Conditions document article 8.2.g. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/terms-conditions.html With the re-sign of the RIPE NCC agreements we noticed that for several existing members we are not in the possession of any company registration papers. Therefore we have approached those members. We are aware of the fact that not all organisations can submit an extract of the Trade register, in this case we request an equivalent document proving the registration of the Contributor's business with the national authorities. Regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC X-Original-To: ncc-services-wg@lists.ripe.net Delivered-To: ncc-services-wg@lists.ripe.net X-Spam-Flags: <.BLARS-SPAMSENDER.BLARS-NO-ABUSE.@imap1u.univie.ac.at>[193.0.9.84:[193.0.9.84]]<cc.univie.ac.at> From: "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at> Reply-To: woeber@cc.univie.ac.at Organization: UniVie - ACOnet User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: U 0.498376 / -2.6 X-RIPE-Signature: 14b12290329657859610e389b3a0caee Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Admin: request for "Company Registration documents" Sender: ncc-services-wg-admin@ripe.net X-BeenThere: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 List-Id: RIPE NCC Services WG <ncc-services-wg.ripe.net> List-Post: <mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> X-RIPE-Lists: RIPE NCC Services WG <ncc-services-wg.ripe.net> List-Subscribe: <http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg>, <mailto:ncc-services-wg-request@ripe.net?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg>, <mailto:ncc-services-wg-request@ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Help: <mailto:ncc-services-wg-request@ripe.net?subject=help> List-Archive: <http://www.ripe.net/mailman/private/ncc-services-wg/> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:18:04 +0100 Can anyone point me in the right direction (a ripe document?) which states a requirement for a(n existing) LIR to submit "company registration documents" to some admin clerk at the NCC? I cannot remember any such requirement to become a "registered company" as a prerequisite to becoming an LIR. I may be wrong. TIA, Wilfried.
Jochem de Ruig wrote:
Dear Wilfried and all,
This is stated in the Terms and Conditions document article 8.2.g.
Thanks, Jochem, this provision obviously has been added for this new version. Just checked, it was not present in ripe-173, effectively ruling out the possibility of operating a non-commercial LIR or internet service? Are you able to provide the rationale for including this additional requirement?
With the re-sign of the RIPE NCC agreements we noticed that for several existing members we are not in the possession of any company registration papers. Therefore we have approached those members.
We are aware of the fact that not all organisations can submit an extract of the Trade register, in this case we request an equivalent document proving the registration of the Contributor's business with the national authorities.
Judging from recent experience, providing a VAT number, and a reference to the historic founding documents of a pretty old university are not considered to be an "equivalent document". So, the other way 'round, what _is_ an "equivalent document" from your point of view? And no, I won't be able to just grab the document from the university's archive, issued on 12th of March 1365 (no typo), and put it onto a copying machine...
Regards,
Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC
Regards, Wilfried.
Judging from recent experience, providing a VAT number, and a reference to the historic founding documents of a pretty old university are not considered to be an "equivalent document".
This is strange because a VAT number shows that the local government has been able to determine that you are a real organization. This is better than any other documents whether they are translated or not. The RIPE employees can check the VAT number here: http://europa.eu.int/comm/taxation_customs/vies/en/vieshome.htm That takes care of most RIPE countries. For the other ones, I think it is unreasonable to force them to provide a translation because companies in England do not have to provide translated documents. --Michael Dillon
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Max Tulyev wrote: Hi,
Hi!
Yes, yes. It is boring me too and delays registration for monthes until documents are gathered, translated and so...
you don't have spend monthes gathering documents if you are legal organisation. You do have them already, just spend a minute for Xerox.
Can anyone point me in the right direction (a ripe document?) which states a requirement for a(n existing) LIR to submit "company registration documents" to some admin clerk at the NCC?
I cannot remember any such requirement to become a "registered company" as a prerequisite to becoming an LIR. I may be wrong.
-- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO)
With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center -----
Hi, On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 11:18:04AM +0100, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote:
Can anyone point me in the right direction (a ripe document?) which states a requirement for a(n existing) LIR to submit "company registration documents" to some admin clerk at the NCC?
I cannot remember any such requirement to become a "registered company" as a prerequisite to becoming an LIR. I may be wrong.
I've heard about this before (the local university computing centre had major problems becoming a LIR due to it not being a recognized legal entity on its own). As far as I understood, the rationale is "make sure that traceability of resources to well-known organizations exists", which requires proof of existance. Or so. I'm not sure when this came into being, maybe together with the introduction of the organization: objects. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 81421 SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 D- 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-234
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Michael.Dillonļ¼ btradianz.com -
Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet