At 03:41 PM 25-02-04 +0000, Carlos Friacas wrote:
3.0 Closing a LIR Nice "wish-list", are closing LIRs going to waste any time doing it?
From my experience - not one will *ever* inform RIPE. It is the last thing on their mind when closing shop.
4.0
"may decide": dont really like the wording. it needs objective boundaries! "significant period of time": which is? 1 year/2 years/3 years ??? "multiple warnings": boundaries again... "the LIR must then provide": i find this unbelievable -- people dont pay, or cant be reached, and even that way you state they have do provide data? :-) The last paragraph makes a LOT more sense! :-)
I won't discuss takeovers since they probably only constitute 5% of the defunct LIRs but rather LIRs that no longer exist (95%) which should be covered by this document (it states the word "closure" in the title). In section 3.0 it states "In the case of a closure of an LIR, the RIPE NCC should be contacted at least three months prior to the required closure date at lir-help@ripe.net. Only registered LIR contact person(s) can discuss a closure of an LIR with the RIPE NCC. In case of bankruptcy, the court-appointed administrator may take over these responsibilities." Real world example: In April 2001 (yup!) I informed RIPE to reclaim 212.77.128.0/23 since that Israeli LIR went bankrupt and no longer existed. No luck. In June 2002 I tried again and pointed out that Doarnet no longer even appears as a LIR at: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/indices/IL.html The answer I got back in June 2002 was "This IP range is a part of DoarNet Ltd's allocation. DoarNet Ltd's LIR is closed and we are going to take the whole allocation back in near future." (Ticket NCC#2002056720). Till today that IP range is still listed in whois. I have therefore not bothered to try to inform RIPE NCC of further "dead" IP ranges since it is a waste of my time as well as theirs. -Hank Nussbacher LIR: il.isoc and il.iucc
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service wrote:
New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store.
Ref: ripe-301 Title: Mergers, Acquisitions, Takeovers and Closures of Organisations Operating an LIR Author: Kamran Khalid Nurani Nimpuno Sabrina Wilmot Date: February 2004 Format: PDF=195891 TXT=13941 Obsoletes: ripe-185, ripe-241 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by:
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This document provides guidelines to Local Internet Registries (LIRs) on the steps to take when the organisation operating an LIR changes ownership (due to a merger, sale or takeover) or stops serving entirely as an LIR.
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