-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17.10.2012 23:53, Sascha Luck wrote:
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Michael Markstaller wrote:
Who is it then?
Sorry, thats a little unfair.. We as LIR and me as CTO have to be responsible for our resources. Lets say it a little drastic: If someone asks me for a /24 to spam the world, I'd tell him I won't do this as I'm responsible what happens there. Point.
They are not *your* resources, they are Provider-Independent. You can, of course, write in your PI contract what you want, but not all of us want to play internet police for some PI space we may not even route.
Hey, I didn't say that. The resources are lended and I dont want to play police (which is wrong, if then I'd want want to be a dictator ;)) I think we mean the same, I'm pro an open, legal system. But honestly, look at the PI-assigments: percentage with reachable eMails? Is it more than 10%?
But would it be ok to tell: "Well, hmm, get a PI don't tell anybody it's from me and push out your shit over another provider so they just don't call up me?" Don't think so..
Yes, in the case of a politically controversial website or something like that (think mohammed videos or such) this may be the *only* way for someone to get PI and I'd like to keep it like that.
I understand your point (see the discussion on the weird uani request), my answer as LIR is: I'm not responsible or accountable for ressouces but - IMHO when I lend them from RIPE to someone, still somewhat in charge - and therefore I have to take care of, otherwise I could stay consumer and take PA, isn't it ? So again the question: why should PI be more or less more anonymous while we as LIR have to be transparant and tell ? So very tightened said: Why should have the PI-owners have better rights than me as a LIR? Said another way: I want their data, I want to know where, who etc.. This is not about collecting data (which I refuse), its about knowing what I need in case.. regards Michael Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlB/WMEACgkQaWRHV2kMuAKQBwCdGotPHNGaegV7wj6JoqIdAh+4 XMcAoPCDn5fdGKDJuiqr6b3OeYSKPoIZ =5dsK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----