28 Oct
2010
28 Oct
'10
9:28 a.m.
At 18:00 29/06/2010 +0200, Arne Kiessling wrote: >Dear Hank, > >Thanks for your email. > >In answer to your first scenario: In order to move an independent Internet >resource assigned to an End User to another sponsoring LIR, the new >sponsoring LIR must submit an End User Assignment Agreement and the >registration documents of the End User's organisation. This ensures that >the new sponsoring LIR and the end user are aware of the changes. > >This is described in procedure document ripe-475 >(http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html), 3.1 (Transfer between >Sponsoring LIRs). We are aware that this document also states that such >requests "must come from either the current or the new sponsoring LIR". >However, the old sponsoring LIR only needs to confirm that they agree with >these changes. Having a resource marked as "Not My End User" is seen as a >confirmation in this case. The RIPE NCC will inform both the former and >new sponsoring LIR when the requested updates have been processed. Because >the End Users know with which LIR they will sign an agreement, the best >option is to have the new sponsoring LIR contact the RIPE NCC and provide >the necessary documentation. > >End Users who are not going to sign an agreement with the current >sponsoring LIR are responsible finding a new sponsoring LIR and signing an >agreement with that LIR. The new sponsoring LIR then needs to provide the >required documents to the RIPE NCC who will evaluate the documentation, >approve it and move the resource to the new sponsoring LIR. > >Resources for which no documentation was submitted at the end of Phase 2 >will become part of Phase 3 of the policy implementation where the RIPE >NCC will contact the resource holders directly. > >In answer to your second scenario: If you've marked a resource as "Not my >End User" after communicating to the resource holder and informing them >that they will need to sign an agreement with a sponsoring LIR of their >choice, there is nothing else you have to do. > >Regarding the resources which are no longer in use, please note that >confirmation from the resource holder that they agree to release the >resource is still required, especially if it turns out that the resources >are actually still in use. Additionally, there might be other reasons why >a PI prefix is not visible in the global routing table. > >If there is no reply from the end user after a certain period of time (90 >days), the resources are de-registered. This is described in procedure >document ripe-475, 4 (De-registering of Independent Internet Number Resources). > >As per community feedback received during the recent 2007-01 update >presentation at RIPE 60, the RIPE NCC will draft a procedure for Phase 3 >of the policy implementation and send it to the RIPE NCC Services Working >Group Mailing List before starting the Phase 3 implementation. Phase 3 was published in August 2010: http://www.ripe.net/news/2007-01-phase3.html Has the RIPE NCC set a timeframe for implementing Phase 3? Regards, Hank >I hope that this has clarified the matter. Please let me know if you have >any further questions. > > >Kind regards, > >Arne Kiessling >IP Resource Analyst >RIPE NCC > > >Hank Nussbacher wrote: >>At 16:53 16/07/2009 +0200, Andrea Cima wrote: >> >>>[Apologies for duplicate emails] >>> >>>Dear Colleagues, >>> >>>The RIPE NCC has published a new RIPE NCC procedural document: >>>ripe-475, "Independent Internet Number Resources Contractual >>>Relationship Changes between sponsoring LIR and End User" >>> >>>This document describes the steps to be taken when there are changes in >>>the contractual relationship between the End User of independent >>>Internet number resources and the sponsoring Local Internet Registry >>>(LIR). It also describes the scenarios in which the RIPE NCC may >>>de-register independent Internet number resources and what happens to >>>those resources once they are de-registered. >>> >>>The new document is available at: >>>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html >>I'd like to once again raise this issue which I did a year ago and did >>not get sufficient answers. Here are two scenerios that are happening: >>- scenerio 1: I have marked a resource as "not my end user", yet RIPE >>responds as follows when I request that they move the resource from my >>LIR to the new sponsoring LIR: >>"We haven't received any documentation yet. >>Please inform the End User of ASxxxxx to ask from their new LIR to >>submit the transfer request in a new ticket in >>enduser-contract@ripe.net." >>I think after a year and about a dozen emails to the old user and the new >>sponsoring LIR I have gone beyond my responsibility on this matter. >>What does RIPE intend to do with those resources that the new sponsoring >>LIR or the end user just can't be bothered to do the registration >>change? If I mark a resource as "not my end user", why are they asking >>"please inform the end user..." >>- scenerio 2: I have marked a resource as "not my end user" and have >>heard from the end user that they have walked away from the resource. I >>have requested that RIPE delete this resource yet the answer I get from RIPE is >>"We did not receive any reply from the End User, so we >>can not return ASxxxx to the free pool without their confirmation. >>We will send another reminder to the End User." >>The end user will never respond since they no longer exist or don't care >>to respond. At what point will RIPE reclaim the resource? >>I think there should be clear written procedures for these cases. >>Regards, >>Hank