Dear Hank, Thanks for your email. In answer to your first scenario: In order to move an independent Internet resource assigned to an End User to another sponsoring LIR, the new sponsoring LIR must submit an End User Assignment Agreement and the registration documents of the End User's organisation. This ensures that the new sponsoring LIR and the end user are aware of the changes. This is described in procedure document ripe-475 (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html), 3.1 (Transfer between Sponsoring LIRs). We are aware that this document also states that such requests "must come from either the current or the new sponsoring LIR". However, the old sponsoring LIR only needs to confirm that they agree with these changes. Having a resource marked as "Not My End User" is seen as a confirmation in this case. The RIPE NCC will inform both the former and new sponsoring LIR when the requested updates have been processed. Because the End Users know with which LIR they will sign an agreement, the best option is to have the new sponsoring LIR contact the RIPE NCC and provide the necessary documentation. End Users who are not going to sign an agreement with the current sponsoring LIR are responsible finding a new sponsoring LIR and signing an agreement with that LIR. The new sponsoring LIR then needs to provide the required documents to the RIPE NCC who will evaluate the documentation, approve it and move the resource to the new sponsoring LIR. Resources for which no documentation was submitted at the end of Phase 2 will become part of Phase 3 of the policy implementation where the RIPE NCC will contact the resource holders directly. In answer to your second scenario: If you've marked a resource as "Not my End User" after communicating to the resource holder and informing them that they will need to sign an agreement with a sponsoring LIR of their choice, there is nothing else you have to do. Regarding the resources which are no longer in use, please note that confirmation from the resource holder that they agree to release the resource is still required, especially if it turns out that the resources are actually still in use. Additionally, there might be other reasons why a PI prefix is not visible in the global routing table. If there is no reply from the end user after a certain period of time (90 days), the resources are de-registered. This is described in procedure document ripe-475, 4 (De-registering of Independent Internet Number Resources). As per community feedback received during the recent 2007-01 update presentation at RIPE 60, the RIPE NCC will draft a procedure for Phase 3 of the policy implementation and send it to the RIPE NCC Services Working Group Mailing List before starting the Phase 3 implementation. I hope that this has clarified the matter. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Kind regards, Arne Kiessling IP Resource Analyst RIPE NCC Hank Nussbacher wrote:
At 16:53 16/07/2009 +0200, Andrea Cima wrote:
[Apologies for duplicate emails]
Dear Colleagues,
The RIPE NCC has published a new RIPE NCC procedural document: ripe-475, "Independent Internet Number Resources Contractual Relationship Changes between sponsoring LIR and End User"
This document describes the steps to be taken when there are changes in the contractual relationship between the End User of independent Internet number resources and the sponsoring Local Internet Registry (LIR). It also describes the scenarios in which the RIPE NCC may de-register independent Internet number resources and what happens to those resources once they are de-registered.
The new document is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html
I'd like to once again raise this issue which I did a year ago and did not get sufficient answers. Here are two scenerios that are happening:
- scenerio 1: I have marked a resource as "not my end user", yet RIPE responds as follows when I request that they move the resource from my LIR to the new sponsoring LIR: "We haven't received any documentation yet. Please inform the End User of ASxxxxx to ask from their new LIR to submit the transfer request in a new ticket in enduser-contract@ripe.net." I think after a year and about a dozen emails to the old user and the new sponsoring LIR I have gone beyond my responsibility on this matter. What does RIPE intend to do with those resources that the new sponsoring LIR or the end user just can't be bothered to do the registration change? If I mark a resource as "not my end user", why are they asking "please inform the end user..."
- scenerio 2: I have marked a resource as "not my end user" and have heard from the end user that they have walked away from the resource. I have requested that RIPE delete this resource yet the answer I get from RIPE is "We did not receive any reply from the End User, so we can not return ASxxxx to the free pool without their confirmation. We will send another reminder to the End User." The end user will never respond since they no longer exist or don't care to respond. At what point will RIPE reclaim the resource?
I think there should be clear written procedures for these cases.
Regards, Hank