-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just my 2ct: not any University or worse religous campaign should block a /8 or /16 without having to state HERE&NOW why and for what they really need&use it. They need exactly 1 IP for every 65536 concurrently active student to NAT and 1 for each public service at most, lets put a /22 for infra on top and then we're fine.. We have to do either I guess, at least we do, according to RIPE-policys. So we're playing with different cards here, legacy holders are being asked "what might be a nice proposal they like", I'm not asked what "might be nice for me" Regardless of legal stuff it's IMHO easy, it's basically just unassigned space, its getting routed or -well then- not.. AFAIK there's no global law on which IP's I have to route as ISP.. I don't see any "right" just on the fact address-assignment was done very different and generous 20yrs ago. It was a nice time being able to assign any fridge on the campus an IPv4 but its just over now. Times are changing, legacy resource-holders have to accept that. Done worldwide this would fully obsolete the whole IPv4 address-space discussion for many, many years! IMHO the problem isnt that we dont have enough IPv4 addresses but that thei're unequally distributed and - worse- most of them useless wasted in small networks that claim to be big like universitys just because they "have" them.. In other words, regarding the threads' context: Might sound hard but IMHO legacy resource holders should be given facts they have to agree with or leave (BGP), not nice proposals with "opt-in" wether they want to and "hmm lets talk about a little". Michael - -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Michael Markstaller Elaborated Networks GmbH www.elabnet.de Lise-Meitner-Str. 1, D-85662 Hohenbrunn, Germany fon: +49-8102-8951-60, fax: +49-8102-8951-80 Geschäftsführer: Stefan Werner, Michael Markstaller Amtsgericht München HRB 125120, Ust-ID: DE201281054 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA9awAACgkQaWRHV2kMuAKmAgCcDQwkn9xH0g/Ng3Qh5XTVdyND b2MAoJtovdGTag7Njh2XMVro1CuC9Ow0 =RpTC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----