Hello Randy,

I think there is a tiny difference between a police state and what is really happening today within LEA (meaning Police but also prosecutor, investigative judges...) and the national and international legal safeguards.

We are just thinking on how to agree on a common understanding before some cohercitives actions are to be taken such as seizure of an entire network within a company.

In my day to day job, and i'm not saying this universal TRUTH, I have build relationship with companies that really happy to be informed about what I'm working on and what is currently running thru their servers, what, in others countries, could be identified as providing assistance to a criminal.

I think that what RGPD is bringing is terrific for the good of all, including LEA that will have to create partnerships with stakeholders in order to keep the work done.

have a nice day.

Pour une administration exemplaire, préservons l'environnement.

N'imprimons que si nécessaire.

-------- Message original --------
Sujet: [INTERNET] Re: [ncc-services-wg] sara proposal and question to Randy
De : Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Pour : ROBINOT Stephane DCPJ SDLC <stephane.robinot@interieur.gouv.fr>
Copie à : ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Date : 09/10/2018 18:33

and, just to make clear from whence i come, let me quote another old
dog.

    We should not be building surveillance technology into standards.
    Law enforcement was not supposed to be easy.  Where it is easy, it's
    called a police state.  -- Jeff Schiller

i.e., if you want the details of my company's contract with the ncc,
show up in amsterdam with a warrant.

randy