I
agree fully with you, Daniele.
Mike
Norris
In a message dated 11/08/03 17:51:19 W. Europe
Daylight Time, daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net writes:
I have not stopped listening to concrete ideas about improving
the RIPE NCC.
I am still here at the RIPE NCC working and
listening. Of course the
bureaucratic developments you sneer at
*do* happen to some degree. This
is inevitable and both you and I
know it. The ability of individuals
like you and me to influence
things immediately and directly is reduced.
Of course I personally I do
not agree with all things the RIRs do and
more often I do not agree with
*how* things are done.
What seems to divide us is that I still work
to improve the 'least of
all evils' structure and you sneer at it
providing no alternative.
I would hope that more people will chose
the former instead of the latter.
I also hope that people still see the
relative mertis and the
differences in legitimacy that exist between the
various organisations.
Sneering at the RIPE NCC without suggesting
either alternatives or
improvements does not help.
I stand 100% with Daniel here. I can't speak for the
others RIRs but I strongly believe the RIPE-NCC has made significant efforts
in the recent past to listen to its membership, streamline procedures, and
positively react to constructive criticism.
There is more work to do,
no doubt about it, but I can't see how flaming on mailing lists
helps.
Whomever has concrete ideas: I propose we move this discussion
to the ncc-services-wg list/group, that was created exactly for this
purpose.
Daniele