On 20/03/2013 11:48, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:09:16AM +0000, Nigel Titley wrote: Not really. The aircrew comprises of the pilot flying (NCC) and pilot monitoring (RIPE community). If either one calls out "go around!", a missed approach is executed. Too bad in this case the veto (no consensus in vafor _is_ a factual veto in PDP) was ignored by the pilot flying. Instead of following good CRM procedures and listening to the pilot monitoring, he called the aircraft owners. What happens in that kind of scenarios then can be read up here: http://avherald.com/h?article=429ec5fa
Regarding the RIPE community only as "passengers" would be troublesome to me. The RIPE community is part of the aircrew, in fact the "pilot monitoring". The aircraft owner thought the risk was worth taking, and the pilot flying adopted that opinion being bound by it, while the pilot monitoring vetoed but was ignored. In aviation, that's called a complete breakdown of CRM (crew resource management) and utterly bad airmanship. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management#United_Airlines_Flight... and following sections.
I guess we differ in our interpretation of the role of the RIPE community in that analogy.
I suspect you may be right. And I also suspect that this analogy has been stretched a little too far. Your point is taken though. All the best Nigel