Viktoria, as I said you in TU Telegram chat, THAT IS NOT YOUR RESOURCES. Period. You are trying to build a communism saying (actually not your) IP addresses are the resource of the country, so we should implement a government barrier (ban outside transfer) to save the "national heritage". Once again. It is not a national resource. It is not your. Keep your hands away from it. People here do not like commies. Sorry. 27.10.22 18:44, Viktoriia Opanasiuk пише:
Dear Mattias,
responding on «As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be significant participation by non-LIRs» I must say that it affects all internet service providers that use IP resources. In Ukraine there are more than 5 000 registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs.
The situation that we have now is that when russian troops withdraw from our territory, they dismantle and take with them not only washing machines, but also telecom equipment, TV- and radio-transmitters, leaving people who live there without any information channels and means of communication. We have to re-buildtelecom and internet infrastructure, and yes, we could bring new equipment there, but if the IP addresses of local Internet Providers will betransferred to other parties, we will not be able to restore even our critical infrastructure there, and there is no place to get new IPv4 addresses.
Therefore any solutions that involve allowing transfers now and somehow reverting them later are not solving this immediate problem that we have.
Viktoriia Opanasiuk
чт, 27 окт. 2022 г. в 16:59, Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com <mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>>:
Hi Viktoriia,____
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RIPE operates on consensus policies. A new policy cannot be adopted if there is a meaningful number of objections like clearly there is here.____
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As has been explained in the in-person meetings, a freeze cannot be implemented until a corresponding policy is in place, as this may otherwise open up the RIPE NCC to civil liability. Of course, there is also a risk that a freeze could negatively impact Ukrainian LIRs (for example ones who may want to sell parts of their IP space to fund continued operations).____
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For the reasons above, I personally don’t think that a blanket ban will be a good solution. Instead, the RIPE NCC should conduct increased due diligence on transfers from Ukraine and other high-risk regions. From what I understand, the NCC has already implemented these measures.____
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Most of the recent emails have already identified themselves as Ukrainian, some including a reg-id or at least mentioning they were an LIR as well. As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be significant participation by non-LIRs. ____
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Staclar, Inc.____
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*From: *ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Viktoriia Opanasiuk <viktoriia.opanasiuk@gmail.com <mailto:viktoriia.opanasiuk@gmail.com>> *Date: *Thursday, 27. October 2022 at 15:51 *To: *ncc-services-wg@ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net>> *Subject: *[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine____
Hi everyone! ____
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Looking at such a broad discussion around the issue of the decision to protect Ukrainian IP resources, I want to add a comment and a wish.____
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First of all, I would like to clarify the issue a little. We are only talking about temporarily freezing the transfer of IP addresses until a solution to correctly identify and prohibit risky transfers is found and implemented.
And in order to understand who exactly is against the temporary freeze or who supports it , it would be very good if you wrote a few words about who exactly those who express their position represent. For example, does the company have LIR status, is the company an ISP provider, and if so, in which regions of Ukraine does it provide services. If the LIR is not a ISP provider, does it continue its work in Ukraine? This is purely to understand whether the position of the participant in the discussion is from a representative of the Ukrainian community and what part of this community he represents. ____
Otherwise, this discussion may slightly distort the real problems that exist in Ukraine today. ____
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-- З повагою, Вікторія Опанасюк