On 05/02/2013 07:55, Randy Bush wrote:
if they are unresponsive or do not wishfees to engage, i am torn between the need for the best whois and dns data we can publish and being pretty cold.
honestly, me too - despite all the noise I have made. There are options ranging from the fundamentally destructive (remove the registration data) to free services forever for everything that the RIPE NCC offers.
unfortunately, that is the status quo. and we kind of have a historical obligation to allow them to ignore the ncc. but perhaps a carrot, as opposed to a stick, can significantly improve this.
Here are some ideas for what could happen if a LRH wasn't engaging (in no particular order): Removal of registration as a short term prospect: no-one is seriously in favour of this. It's unnecessarily destructive and will not entice anyone to engage with the RIPE NCC. Removal of some registration data as a short term prospect: e.g. drop DNS server entries. Again, I think this is unnecessarily aggressive. Time limited amnesty: free registration for X period of time if you engage within Y period. Or some other carrot. Free-for-all-time-for-everyone: as irresponsible as short-term deregistration. Inconvenience: locking of registration data for LRHs who decline to engage. I.e. the data still remains, but you cannot update the details, particularly the nameservers. This is a inconvenience whose severity depends on how necessary good quality IP address services are to the user. Locking could be hard-locking (i.e. autorefusal) or moderated (requests get forwarded to IPRAs). The latter is probably more sensible. Removal of registration as a long term prospect: this will be necessary. There is undoubtedly a pile of ERX address space which is either squatted or abandoned. As a long term objective, I think that there is some duty of stewardship that makes de-registration of data a requirement. Maybe we don't need to deal with it in 2012-07, but it is inevitable on a 20-50 year basis. Nick