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LIR portal member status / members-discuss subscriptions
by Daniel Suchy 03 Aug '11

03 Aug '11

Hello, recently I updated some informations on LIR portal (added new email to be subscribed in members-discuss mailing list). But I'm still receiving messages about message awaiting aproval from the system. I did some investigation. On "FAQs", there's mentioned, that members-discuss subscriptions are for "FULL" members only. But this condition should be met, as mentioned organisation is LIR for several years. On LIR portal, I discovered, that in member status is listed "PROVIDER" membership status - where I expect "FULL", "CANDIDATE" and so on (based on articles of associations). "PROVIDER" isn't expected by me - it's unknown in articles of association. I think, this confusion is due to recent changes on LIR portal / RIPE website in general. Secondary, "new" membership status may be reason, why my email isn't properly subscribed. And In my oppinion, LIR portal should correctly show membership status. Someone from RIPE NCC should answer, why there's something else ;) With regards, Daniel

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Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
by Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst 03 Aug '11

03 Aug '11

Hello Simon, Hello Erik, Dear List, >> - linear: An IP address should have a price. An LIR with a /12 allocation >> uses 256 times the resources of an LIR with a /20. This should be >> reflected in the fee. > No, they don't. See above. Of course, they do ;-) IPv4 address space is a scarce and valuable resource now. And a /12 user occupies a lot more that limited resource than a /20 user does. If someone justifies a /12, Internet is obviously a major part of his business (or he's incredibly huge). And more importantly, he uses a major part of the limited resource. A "fee" of EUR 0.002 per IP is more than reasonable. > How about the annual fee, calculated at the end of each calendar year is comprised of: > > - A base RIPE "membership" fee > - A "maintenance" fee for each allocation to the LIR (e.g. EUR 50 per > allocation, like the PI blocks) > - A "allocation" fee for each allocation made in the previous 12 months. I strongly feel that there should be a fee on IP address consumption (e.g. the EUR 0.002/IP Address). I tried to avoid the "per usage" fee as it will make billing more complicated. I personally would not care about EUR 50 per allocation request. > But what about the other objects ? ASN: I would give away ASN for free. We have rules in place that define, when an ASN is justified. The supply of ASN is unlimited for all pratical means. Don't forget": In my proposal, every resource owner will pay at least EUR 500, so this should be covered. Besides, an ASN is not very useful on its own without associated address space. We could follow ARIN: Pay EUR 500 per ASN (and USD 100 per year once per organization). PI space: Just treat it as usual, either have a sponsoring entity, where is just counts as regular IP address space, or become an extra small LIR on your own. IPv6: Have no clear opinion on this. For now, I would give it away for free now and let's discuss the matter, when IPv6 traffic approaches 25% of IPv4 traffic. >> - Major players pay EUR 5500 at most, which will be less than "peanuts" >> for them. > Not necessarily. Okay, most LIRs are also ISPs, but not all. You can't assume > that for an LIR that a bigger allocation means a bigger revenue stream. Let's assume "less than /16" (2012: "large" category) for "major player". So you can justify more than 65k addresses, you have at least 65k services instances allocated to these addresses, which will need some kind of hardware. The EUR 0.002 will NEVER be an important part of your budget. We are a government funded, small "ISP" that's confined to the schoolyard. We're providing services for the schools in our district. The budget of our associated schools exceed EUR 40M/y easily. So don't tell me, that EUR 5k will be a problem for anyone who can honestly justify more than a /16. Just as a reminder, the comparison the RIPE2012 proposal and the ARIN fees: wiwi RIPE2012 ARIN /23 EUR 502 EUR 250 USD 1250 /22 EUR 502 EUR 750 USD 1250 /21 EUR 904 EUR 1750 USD 1250 /20 EUR 1308 EUR 1750 USD 2250 /19 EUR 1716 EUR 2500 USD 2250 /18 EUR 2132 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /17 EUR 2565 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /16 EUR 3031 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /15 EUR 3562 EUR 5000 USD 9000 /14 EUR 4224 EUR 5000 USD 9000 /13 EUR 5148 EUR 5000 USD 14000 /12 EUR 6597 EUR 5000 USD 14000 /11 EUR 9094 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /10 EUR 13688 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /9 EUR 22477 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /8 EUR 39654 EUR 15000 USD 14000 Calculation is simple: EUR 500 + ((log2(#IPv4)-10)*EUR 400+(EUR 0.002*#IPv4). My assumptions were: EUR 15M with 7100 members results in EUR 2100 need per member and per year in average, so a /18+ will pay more than the average share. Having members with less than EUR 500 fee is not useful, commercially. ...a and get me right, please: RIPE does a great job, no doubt. I do NOT want to deplete RIPE of money. Greetings from rainy Switzerland wiwi ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses.

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RE: [members-discuss] idea Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst
by Erik Bais 03 Aug '11

03 Aug '11

Hi Jørgen, > Paying for an "object" in a "database" is kindof silly as there are > little or no expenses related to a database itself these days. If it > would be up to me I would get 1x /18 instead of 2x /19 in the > beginning, > but RIPE NCC didn't approve on that. I shouldn't be punished because I > am "saving" resources by using /19s instead of a /18 which was forced > upon me by RIPE NCC. I don't think you understand what the job of the RIPE hostmasters is about. It is not their role (or nature) to punish you, if you motivate why you require specific resources, you will get them (within the policies that are currently in place.) If you didn't provide the correct motivation, sobbing here doesn't make it better. The hostmasters only do their job, as it is our job to discuss and change the policies if we don't agree with the current model. Paying per object does actually reflect somewhat on the amount of labor/time/effort that the RIPE NCC workforce has to deal with you. Just my 2cp. Erik ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses.

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Assigning 32-bit AS Numbers
by Mirjam Kuehne 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

[apologies for duplicates] Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC has been assigning 32-bit Autonomous System Numbers for quite some time now. Please see some statistics and analysis on RIPE Labs: http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/assigning-32-bit-asns Kind Regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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Increased Query Load on Root Name Servers
by Mirjam Kuehne 13 Jul '11

13 Jul '11

[apologies for duplicates] Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC experienced an increased query load on K-root and other root name servers. Please find some analysis and graphs on RIPE Labs describing this increase. http://labs.ripe.net/Members/wnagele/increased-query-load-on-root-name-serv… Please note that we did not see any noticeable degradation of any Internet services caused by this. Kind Regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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Reduced Service on RIPE NCC Website and RIPE Labs
by Mihnea-Costin Grigore 28 Jun '11

28 Jun '11

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, To allow us to update the software behind the RIPE NCC website and RIPE Labs, functionality on these sites will be reduced between 15:00 and 19:00 (UTC) today, 28 June 2011. During this time, the sites will remain available. However, they will be in "read only" mode. Search functionality will be unavailable, and it will not be possible to comment on articles or join in discussions. We apologise in advance for any inconvenience this might cause. If you have any questions about this maintenance work, please contact webmaster(a)ripe.net. Regards, -- Mihnea-Costin Grigore RIPE NCC Web Developer - http://www.ripe.net/

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2007-01 RIPE NCC Maintainer Update
by Ingrid Wijte 28 Jun '11

28 Jun '11

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, At the RIPE 62 Meeting, in both the RIPE NCC Services and Database Working Groups, there was an update on the progress of RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01, "Contractual Requirements for Provider Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region". The presentations can be viewed on the RIPE NCC website at: http://ripe62.ripe.net/presentations/117-RIPE_62_Arne_Kiessling.pptx http://ripe62.ripe.net/presentations/143-DB_Update-62-final.pptx Part of the process requires the RIPE NCC to monitor changes to independent Internet number resources assigned by the RIPE NCC. The objects included in this are PI assignment INETNUM/INET6NUM and Autonomous System Number AUT-NUM objects. This is done by adding a reference to an additional maintainer to all these objects. This will not affect your authorisation or control of this data in the RIPE Database. For a number of years, the RIPE NCC has been using the MNTNER object RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT for this monitoring. A new MNTNER is now being used, RIPE-NCC-END-MNT. The new MNTNER will replace the old one, or be added, where necessary. This change will be performed on all appropriate data in the RIPE Database by the RIPE NCC Database Group today, 28 June 2011. Because the update will involve more than 20,000 objects, no individual notifications will be sent. After this change takes place, please do not remove this new maintainer reference. It is required by the policy referenced above. This change is administrative and has no operational impact on users. If you have any questions, please contact Customer Services at ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net. Regards, Ingrid Wijte Registration Services Assistant Manager RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Dubrovnik, 6-9 September 2011: Draft Agenda Published
by RIPE NCC Meeting Coordinator 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC Regional Meeting will take place at the Valamar Lacroma Hotel in Dubrovnik, Croatia, from 6-9 September 2011. This is the first regional meeting to take place in this part of Europe. --------------- Draft Agenda --------------- A group of volunteers has worked together to make an inspiring draft agenda: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/regional-meetings/dubrovnik-2011/agenda Hands-on workshops given by leading experts will take place every day of the meeting. --------------- Free to Attend --------------- The RIPE NCC Regional Meetings are open for anyone to attend, and attendance is free of charge. However, you do need to pre-register to attend. You can register for this meeting at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/regional-meetings/dubrovnik-2011/registr… --------------- Hotel --------------- Discounted room rates (EUR 125) are available for meeting attendees at the Valamar Lacroma Hotel. Find out how to book your room at: http://ripe.net/dubrovnik-2011/venue --------------- Sponsoring --------------- Would you like to be a sponsor? Find information at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/regional-meetings/dubrovnik-2011/sponsor… Please check back regularly for the latest information at: http://ripe.net/dubrovnik-2011 Kind regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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New Webupdates Tool Launched for RIPE Database
by Denis Walker 24 Jun '11

24 Jun '11

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, The Database Group sent an announcement last week about plans to launch a new and improved Webupdates tool, as demonstrated at RIPE 62. We are pleased to inform you that after a successful trial period, the service has now been put fully into production. The old Webupdates service is no longer available. The new Webupdates is available now at: https://www.ripe.net/webupdates/ For more details see the RIPE Labs article: https://labs.ripe.net/ripe-database/new-webupdates-tool Kind regards, Denis Walker Business Analyst RIPE NCC Database Group

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ripeness.ripe.net
by Carlos Friacas 18 Jun '11

18 Jun '11

Hello, I've been lately looking at ripeness.ripe.net data, with special focus on my country's numbers. :-) The recent World IPv6 Day was imho a good thing, some people took some more steps towards having some IPv6 in their networks, and that allowed us to increase the # of IPv6 peerings over the local (and small) IXP from 12 to 15. :-))) Getting an IPv6 block, register the route6 object, the DNS reverse object (domain) and make the block visible will not «automagically» generate more IPv6 packets on the Internet, but i find these steps to be key for future IPv6 deployments. This is basically why i think this should be monitored and promoted, so we know which people (i.e. LIRs) we still need to talk to (and in some cases, offer our help). So i would like to support the idea of making ripeness.ripe.net a production service, maybe linked with IPv6 Act Now (www.ipv6actnow.org). Best Regards, Carlos

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