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Re: [ncc-services-wg] [address-policy-wg] Crimea papers
by Sander Steffann 01 Aug '14

01 Aug '14

Hi, First, move this discussion to NCC Services and Members-discuss... > lets see this article > > http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.226.0… I think these are the most relevant parts. First the definitions: > “brokering services” means: > (i) the negotiation or arrangement of transactions for the purchase, sale or supply of goods and technology or of financial and technical services, including from a third country to any other third country; or > (ii) the selling or buying of goods and technology or of financial and technical services, including where they are located in third countries for their transfer to another third country. > “technical assistance” means any technical support related to repairs, development, manufacture, assembly, testing, maintenance, or any other technical service, and may take forms such as instruction, advice, training, transmission of working knowledge or skills or consulting services; technical assistance includes verbal forms of assistance.’. Then under article 2c: > 2. Annex III shall include key equipment and technology related to the creation, acquisition or development of infrastructure in the following sectors: > [...] > (b) telecommunications; > [...] and > 3. It shall be prohibited to: > (a) provide, directly or indirectly, technical assistance or brokering services related to the key equipment and technology listed in Annex III, or related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance and use of items listed in Annex III to any natural or legal person, entity or body in Crimea or Sevastopol or for use in Crimea or Sevastopol; and > (b) provide, directly or indirectly, financing or financial asssistance related to the key equipment and technology listed in Annex III to any natural or legal person, entity or body in Crimea or Sevastopol or for use in Crimea or Sevastopol. As a networking person 'related to the provision [...] and use of items listed' does seem to include allocating number resources. I think we need some legal advice on this issue again... Cheers, Sander

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Crimea papers
by Max Tulyev 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

Hello All, Do RIPE NCC accept legal papers (i.e. company registration papers) issued by Russian occupation authorities in Crimea? If yes - why? I think RIPE NCC works under Dutch law, so if The Netherlands don't accept Crimea annexion - RIPE NCC should not accept these papers. In other case, RIPE NCC very probably violates Dutch law. Am I right?

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Crimea papers - Clarifying the RIPE NCC Legal Position
by Athina Fragkouli 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

Dear all, The RIPE NCC has the right to be contractually engaged with and to provide services to any legal entity, unless there are restrictions by law. Currently, Dutch law does not restrict our contractual engagement with, or provision of our services to, legal entities in Crimea. Dutch law does not restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by national authorities are considered to be sufficient proof. The RIPE NCC can neither recognise nor deny one state’s authority over a region. Given the situation in Crimea, the RIPE NCC is striving to facilitate the provision of its services to network operators in this area and does not wish to deny services for political reasons. Kind regards, Athina Fragkouli Legal Counsel RIPE NCC

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Minutes from RIPE68
by Lindqvist Kurt Erik 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

The minutes from RIPE68 are now published at https://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/wg/services/minutes/ripe-68-ripe-ncc-servi… Best regards, Lindqvist Kurt Erik kurtis(a)kurtis.pp.se

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Discussion on list
by Lindqvist Kurt Erik 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

All, this is just a friendly reminder that this list is for discussion regarding the services the RIPE NCC provides. The discussion regarding under what conditions these services are provided are on topic, general discussions regarding world politics isn't. So please keep your discussions on topic. Best regards Kurtis & Bijal Chairs of RIPE NCC Services WG.

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] [address-policy-wg] Crimea papers
by Michiel Klaver 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

it concerns everyone, but the question asked can only be answered by RIPE NCC legal desk. When they answer and it is not satisfying, you should contact your ambassy and take it to the political level. We as LIR members cannot change politics. ksyu(a)netassist.ua wrote at 29-07-2014 10:53: > Because it concern to everyone. > Today you accept russian aggression. Tomorrow will die more than 298 YOUR > people from their arms. > > 29.07.2014 11:43, Michiel Klaver пишет: >> Hi Max, >> >> Please tell us why you choose to spam thousands of subscribers of public >> mailinglists, while your question should have been addressed directly to NCC >> legal desk? >> >> http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/contact >> > >

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] [address-policy-wg] Crimea papers
by Sander Steffann 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

Hi Max, I understand your frustration, but this is not the place to fight this fight. The RIPE NCC has both Russian and Ukrainian members. A member can be an existing entity under either Russian or Ukrainian law. The location of the entity doesn't matter in this case. A company can have its office in Crimea, independent of whether it is registered as a Russian or a Ukrainian company and independent of which country Crimea belongs to. The RIPE NCC can only deal with if an entity exists. Compare it to this: if I would go and live in Belgium I can be a member as a Dutch personal entity while having a Belgian address. But this is getting severely off-topic for this mailing list, so let's stop this discussion here and focus on address policy again :) Cheers, Sander

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Planning for RIPE69
by Lindqvist Kurt Erik 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

Dear WG Members, me and Bijal are trying to do some time planning for RIPE69. If you know/think/plan/dream of submitting a policy proposal, or otherwise would like to have time on the agenda, could you please let us know by emailing ncc-services-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net ? This will help us to not run (so much) into the AGM as we usually do... Kurtis & Bijal NCC Services chairs

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Closure of Test Traffic Measurements Service and Changes to the DNS Monitoring Service
by Romeo Zwart 07 Jul '14

07 Jul '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear colleagues, As of 1 July 2014, the old DNS Monitoring Service (DNSMON), based on the Test Traffic Measurements Service (TTM), has stopped receiving updates to its data. The new DNSMON interface is available at: https://atlas.ripe.net/dnsmon All historic DNSMON visualisations will remain available at: http://dnsmon-old.ripe.net We will keep these visualisations of the historic data available until at least the end of 2014. Existing URLs that point to specific periods or zones in the old DNSMON (for example http://dnsmon.ripe.net/dns-servmon/server/) will be redirected and will continue to work for as long as the old DNSMON visualisation servers are maintained. As discussed at the RIPE 68 DNS Working Group session in Warsaw, the RIPE NCC will provide some statistics on usage of the old visualisations at RIPE 69 in London. The DNS Working Group will be consulted regarding the further maintenance or possible decommissioning of these visualisations. Background The RIPE NCC announced a new version of DNSMON in March 2014 and informed the community that the old DNSMON would be phased out. The old DNSMON was dependent upon measurements run as part of TTM, which was in the last phase of its existence. TTM has been decommissioned, as announced previously, on 1 July 2014. In line with the closure of TTM, data collection in the old DNSMON has also been terminated from that same date. These changes are in line with our previous communications, notably the RIPE Labs article "Timeline for Phasing Out the Old TTM-Based DNSMON": https://labs.ripe.net/Members/romeo_zwart/copy_of_proposed-time-lines-for-p… Romeo Zwart RIPE NCC -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlO6fx4ACgkQGRL9suBV+eos8ACfUMImGvgAV9rJ1bxzLbt4hLmv HewAni2DYCGSLAWOAhYREtCsprGj8jKR =gI+O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New on RIPE Labs: RIPE NCC Training Survey Results
by Mirjam Kuehne 01 Jul '14

01 Jul '14

Dear colleagues, At the beginning of each year and after each course we send a survey to the RIPE NCC members who participated in our training courses. We published a summary of the results on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/sandra_bras/ripe-ncc-training-survey-results Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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