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IRRToolSet maintenance moved from RIPE NCC to ISC
by Shane Kerr 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

Colleagues, We are happy to announce that the maintenance for the IRRToolSet has moved from the RIPE NCC to the Internet Systems Consortium (ISC). Starting now, ISC will support software development and maintenance of this suite. The new web page for this is: http://www.isc.org/sw/IRRToolSet/ The mailing list has been moved. The new address is <irrtoolset(a)isc.org>. E-mail will be forwarded from the existing mailing list (*). The RIPE NCC believes that ISC's software development model matches the IRRToolSet requirements, and that ISC will be a better home for the software. Operators and developers will have a set-up that is more typical to collaborative open source software, from a company that is experienced and focused on it. The RIPE NCC is grateful to ISC for agreeing to maintain this useful set of tools. We will continue to provide support for RIPE-specific portions and work with ISC in refining the software. -- Shane Kerr Software Manager RIPE NCC (*) When the mailing list forwarding began, Thursday 2004-12-16, filtering was removed. Shortly after the mailing list filtering policy was changed to "subscriber only". Apologies for the unwanted mail received during this period.

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country?
by Patrick Maigron 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

> I also would like to see this list again! So would I :) This page used to be http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/allocs4.html And we also had http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/allocs6.html Both have now disappeared... These pages listed IP allocations sorted by country and by LIR. I used them only for teaching purposes in my university, and they were INCREDIBLY useful for teaching CIDR! The other files containing country and LIR information that are still available do not fit the same purpose: - ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/delegated-ripencc-latest and ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/issued/ do not contain LIR information - ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/ripe.db.gz contains detailed and "raw" data, as compared to previous "allocs" files For a few days the October 2004 version of allocs4.html (not allocs6) was accessible at: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/local-ir/allocations But now this one also has gone... I understand that the other RIRs did not have such files, and I used to be grateful to RIPE for these. Yet I still have a local copy for October 2004, but it is a pity not to be able to access any longer the up-to-date version! I first thought the file was withdrawn for "security reasons". But all the material inside is (presently) still publically avalaible in whois DB. Or even in the following files: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/split/ripe.db.inetnum.gz (64113 KB) ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/split/ripe.db.inet6num.gz (310 KB) And these files are much more complete and thus larger than the former allocs4 and allocs6... It seems that these pages had some interest for a few people. Usage Statistics for www.ripe.net in September 2004 at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/www3/www-http/usage_200409.html indicate that "allocs" files ranked 14 and 15 in the top entry pages: 14 2623 0.01% 1398 0.07% /ripencc/mem-services/general/allocs.html 15 2415 0.01% 974 0.05% /ripencc/mem-services/general/allocs4.html with a total 5000 hits cumulated on that month, and similar stats in previous months... (They also ranked 5 and 6 in Top URLs by Kilobytes!) Hope I might contribute to a future reappearance of these files in any access protocol (FTP/HTTP/etc)? Sincerely, Patrick.

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by count ry?
by Bornhorst, Ludger 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:27:04 +0200 mika ruohotie wrote: > [...] > I think we both talk about the list which was a type of: > > ab.cdefgh > 127.0.0.0/8 > 192.168.0.0/24 > ab.ijklm > 10.0.0.0/8 > 172.16.0.0/12 > > and so on. > > If there are reasons why those lists were removed, and can not be made > available again, I would love to hear those. I also would like to see this list again! I don't care about the protocol (ftp or http) and the size... mit freundlichen Gruessen/with best regards Ludger Bornhorst ____________________________ Deutsche Telekom AG T-Com Headquarters TK44 Network Information Center

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Page listing IP allocations sorted by country?
by Hank Nussbacher 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

There used to be a page listing all IP allocations sorted by country. I can't find it on the new RIPE web site. Can anyone help? Thanks, Hank

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LIR Portal Outage
by Shane Kerr 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Dear Colleagues, On Monday, 29 November 2004, between 13:50 and 15:15 CET, logins were not possible to the LIR Portal: https://lirportal.ripe.net This service is now restored. We apologise for the outage, and any inconvenience this may have caused you. Regards, Shane Kerr Software Manager RIPE NCC

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NRO Response to ITU Comments on the Management of Internet Protocol (IP) Addresses
by Axel Pawlik 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Dear Colleagues, As part of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) process, a proposal has been made that could dramatically affect the way Internet number resources are distributed and managed. On 21 October 2004, the Director of ITU-TSB published a memorandum, "ITU and Internet Governance" for public comment. This memorandum includes a proposal to create a new IPv6 address space distribution process, based solely on national authorities. This could have a serious impact on RIPE NCC Members, Internet operators and the global Internet community at large. The Number Resource Organization (NRO), on behalf of the Regional Internet Registries, has prepared a public response to the ITU memorandum detailing the flaws of the proposal and the negative impact it would have on Internet operations. A summary of this response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro18.html The full response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro17.html The original ITU memorandum is available at: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/tsb-director/itut-wsis/files/zhao-netgov01.doc We urge our members and others in the Internet community to make their views about this issue known. Without your support being *visible* and *explicit* the bottom-up, consensus based model on which the success of the Internet has been founded may be replaced by the top-down bureaucracy of "Internet Governance". To show your support: - RIPE NCC Members: Log in to the LIR Portal and tick the support box. If you do not have an LIR Portal account, please email your expression of support to: contact(a)ripe.net - Non-members: Please email to: im-support(a)ripe.net. An email archive of expressions of support will be available at: http://www.ripe.net/maillists/ncc-archives/im-support/ - ITU-TSB Members: Please also contact your ITU member state representative to voice your concerns you might have. Internet number resource distribution is fair and accessible to all. Its policy development process is open and transparent. It works. Let us keep it that way. Regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC

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Service affecting power outage
by Ruud de Kooter 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Dear Colleagues, On Thursday, 11th November, between 17:45 and 18:20 CET, we faced a power outage in two of our cabinets at our hosting facility. The following services were affected between 18:00 and 18:40 CET: - www.ripe.net - ftp.ripe.net - lirportal.ripe.net - ASO/NRO websites - Whois updates, this service was restored at 21:30 CET We apologise for any inconvenience that this may have caused to your operations. Regards, RIPE NCC Operations

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Alex Dempsey/Vodafone is out of the office.
by alex.dempsey＠vodafone.com 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

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RIPE49 - NCC Services WG Draft Minutes
by Bijal Sanghani 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Dear All, Please see draft minutes from the NCC Services Working Group at RIPE 49. Please send any questions, comments or clarifications to Kurtis, myself or this mailing list. regards, Bijal ---- RIPE 49 Meeting RIPE NCC Services Working Group Date: Tuesday 21 September 2004 Time: 14.00 - 15.30 Date: Thursday 23 September 2004 Time: 14.00 - 15.30 Location: Medici Ballroom ----------------------------------------------------- A. Administrative Matters (5 min) - Welcome - Select a scribe Nathalie Dougall (RIPE NCC) - Distribute participants list - Finalise agenda - Approve minutes from RIPE 48: http://www.ripe.net/wg/ncc-services/r48-minutes.html Minutes approved. ----------------------------------------------------- B. RIPE NCC Update - Axel Pawlik (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-ncc.pdf *Updates and highlights *Preview of Activity Plan 2005 *Training Services Department *Membership Liaison *Resigning of Standard Service Agreements * Communications *New Projects *Software Engineering *Operations "Membership Focus is the Name of the Game" - RIPE NCC ----------------------------------------------------- C. RIPE NCC Activity Plan 2005 - Axel Pawlik (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-ncc.pdf *Member Service Desk *Membership Survey 2005 *New Training Methods *Anti-SPAM *More K Rootserver anycast *AP2005 ----------------------------------------------------- D. Anti-Spam Measures at NCC - Jim Reid (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-spam.pdf - Jim is not representing an LIR nor is he a member, but has been getting spam from the NCC. He has discussed this with some RIPE NCC Hostmasters and software people. The spam issue is also not good from NCC's point of view and Jim wants to tackle this by seeing a better policy in dealing with spam. - Jim gets spam, then replies to the NCC and is told to contact his ISP. He finds this response unsatisfactory and annoying because some spam originates from the RIPE NCC, and not necessarily from the ISP. - Jim feels that the problem should be stopped before it gets to his network and costs him. - Some NCC servers use different programs i.e. Spam Assassin, Blacklist etc. However, the policy is unclear. - Not clear which anti-spam policies are in place regarding the different mailing lists because it depends on the server that it is sitting on. Is there a Policy Vacuum? Documentation/policy and info on the NCC site is difficult to find. Information should be made more visible. Jim asks NCC staff if they could document and suggest improvements. Kurtis asks whether there is any comment on this? Kurtis asks the NCC to come back with some proposals for the mailing list and at the next meting. Daniel makes jabber comment from Webmaster: there is text on the website: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/about/maillists.html Andrei Robachevsky (RIPE NCC): I think you raised an important point, as spam causes problems for the NCC as well, and this is partly because of policy issues. For example: even for group mailing lists, they are quiet and free from spam as we do "human" spam filtering. i.e. only subscribers can post to the list, which reduces a huge amount of spam. We are now making classification of mailing lists and we are developing a consistent policy with regards to spam. Jim Reid (DNS MODA): That would be good. Sometimes my mail gets held up if I'm not a member of other working group lists. Another interesting issue is statistics: it would be nice to have the information of how much spam is arriving on your servers every day and how much is being thrown away. This would be helpful to know, in order to put things in context. Andrei Robachevsky: we can make the statistical poll Kurtis: leave it with Andrei to get back to the mailing list and will discuss at next meeting in Stockholm Kurtis thanks Jim for making proposal and mentions that when the Services Working Group was set up after the RIPE meeting in Barcelona, this was the idea - that members of the community would present to the WG. 14:44 session closes. ----------------------------------------------------- (Thursday:) E. RIPE NCC Billing Procedures and Charging Scheme - Jochem de Ruig (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-billing.pdf *General Billing Information *Billing Procedure www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/billing-2004.html *Billing 2004 *Outlook for 2005 Comments: - Denesh Bhabuta (Aexiomus): We are told that if you have a VAT number, then it shouldn't appear on the bill, but when we attend meetings, it appears on the bill and its extremely difficult to claim this back. - Jochem de Ruig (RIPE NCC): - in principle, in the Netherlands the VAT is included in your meeting fee and you can claim that back from the Dutch tax authorities if you want to. - Denesh Bhabuta (Aexiomus): This is difficult, but if you can do it with the membership fees, then there's no reason why you can't do it with the meeting fees. - Jochem de Ruig (RIPE NCC): Yes, I wish I could do it. What we say to the Dutch tax authorities is that the service fee is an international transaction, which is why we can shift the VAT from us to you. But with a meeting that is in the Netherlands, it is clear that the service is done in the NL, so we are not allowed by the tax authorities to shift the VAT to you, so I can't put on the receipt saying "VAT shifted" and that you submit it here locally. Unfortunately. Presentation on the Charging Scheme and the Scoring Algorithm http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-billing.pdf *Charging Scheme process *Scoring Algorithm 2004 • Size determined on basis of 2 variables, namely: - Prefix of the allocation/assignment - Age of the allocation/assignment 14:40 Jochem ends. No questions ----------------------------------------------------- F. RIPE NCC Training Team activities and developments - Rumy Kanis (20 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-training.pdf *Outline of courses: LIR, Routing Registry and DNSSec *Seminars and presentations - We have started offering presentations at conferences/meetings - please send requests! *Training in 2004 *Training in 2005 *Developing Training Services *Hosting ----------------------------------------------------- G. Feedback from Recent LIR Mergers - Kurtis (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-mergers.pdf A presentation on how LIR's work with the RIPE NCC with respect to mergers - we wanted to find out their experiences in dealing with the NCC on this issue. Kurtis outlines the presentation and emphasises that the NCC kept the information received from the LIR's confidential. The NCC contacted all LIR's that have completed mergers in the last 6 months. • 27 members • 22% response rate - all positive • 7.5% had ideas for improvement, namely: • Provide documentation repository • Provide a free IP admin tool to new LIRs • Re-structure audit process • Promote and encourage consultancy firms to new LIRs Comments: - Joao Damas (ISC) - It would seem more reasonable to me to have the NCC publish a well defined interface to their systems for people on the outside, whether private for own use or open source for everyone to use. - Kurtis: who are interested in this? No hands shown...How many people think the NCC should develop a tool like this that should be fully available? No one responds... - Kurtis: How many people use tools, other than an acsci file, to keep track of address space? - 10 people show their hands. How many tools like this are written by yourselves? A lot of response... - Randy Bush (IIJ): I'd like to explain why I think these two seem to be in conflict, but are not... These tools are a small part of our toolset and are integrated with the rest of them. So you are trying to produce a standard one that is not going to fit in with the rest of our puzzle. - Kurtis: Would it be more useful to have a standardised date format tool? - Randy Bush (IIJ): To exchange what with whom? - Kurtis - If you are merging LIR's you need to take the data you have... - Randy Bush (IIJ): I don't have any plans to merge. It would be useful to have this if I could use it today, but to justify spending the money in case there is a merger in the future would be more difficult to sell to my manager. -Kurtis promises to take this discussion and ideas to the mailing list as there appears to be some interest, though it will take a lot of work to get this developed. Jabber question: Someone asks whether a standard format will actually help with mergers? - Kurtis: The feedback was from people who had done mergers, and they said that it would help. My own experience is that I think it would help in a merger process. ----------------------------------------------------- H. Topic's for Discussion - Kurtis Lindqvist http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-discussion.pdf Kurtis will present this as "himself" and as general member of the community. Observation of how the process of activity planning and how the Services Working group is progressing. *Timing of input to the Activity Plan and Budget Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): I think it’s important to have a well-structured way for this group to produce input for the AP. The difference between 3 meetings per year (up until now) and 2 meetings per year, which we will try out next year, is the January meeting. At the January meeting - no one thinks of the AP as it was just agreed at the end of the previous year. The May meeting was the one where, in timely fashion we could bring ideas for AP for following year and the fall meeting in September is last opportunity where we can bring ideas for next years AP. So, in practice, not much has really changed from 3 meetings per year to 2 meetings per year. We only miss the January meeting, where people think that the AP is for "later" this year, anyway. - Kurtis: if we have 3 meetings per year we would have the opportunity to make process better. I do not want to reopen the discussion, it is just an observation. Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): I want to remind all that proposing changes and additions doesn't have a formal date and can happen at any moment of the year. Anyone can generate input to folks who have final responsibility to draft AP. This can happen via mailing lists or working groups, for example. Face-to-face meetings generate more interest. Channels are not being closed or narrowed. End discussion. *Proposal: Increase focus of work A new RIPE meeting plan? The first part of week could be for operational content and the second part of the week could be used for policy discussions. It would mean that people could better focus on topics and attend what they are interested in. Don't know what this would do to attendance numbers though! - Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): I fully support this, and find it a valuable exercise to develop this further. We should go through all the agendas of the WGs and the EOF etc. and see how this week would have worked with such a framework. Based on that, we can try to design something and maybe try it out at the next RIPE meeting. It needs careful thought and preparation, but I see the advantages. - Randy Bush (IIJ): operations of what? - Kurtis: You know what I mean. - Randy - No I don't. I find very little operational content here for what I consider to be operations, as an ISP. - Kurtis: I don't disagree, but if you look at the charter of the working groups, there is a difference between Address policy and the Services Working Group. - Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): On Randy's comment. It would be great to have more operational stuff in, so operators do something! - Joao Damas (ISC): I am just confused. I thought I was attending a RIPE meeting, not a RIPE NCC meeting. I heard you say that decision to go from 3 to 2 meetings per year was based on the NCC membership. - Kurtis: Comment was from NCC Membership Survey. It was discussed at length in the plenary, and it is a discussion that belongs in the plenary, not here. - Joao Damas (ISC): That is exactly my next point. If this is a RIPE meeting, then this discussion should take place in the plenary, not the NCC Services Working Group. A lot of people that come here have no interaction with the RIPE NCC and as time goes by, the purpose is to meet people, do business and eventually learn of operations and hopefully that is part of the content that develops more. So maybe if there is no need to have 3 meetings per year, we can actually follow the NANOG model, have a shorter meeting and skip Address policy? But again, this should be discussed somewhere else if this is the RIPE meeting. No other comments Y. Open Microphone No other business. Z. AOB None.

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RIPE NCC Website Downtime
by Ruud de Kooter 29 Oct '04

29 Oct '04

Dear Colleagues, On Thursday, 28th October, between 20:45 and 23:20 CET, the www.ripe.net website was unavailable, due to technical issues. We apologise for any inconvenience that this downtime may have caused to your operations. Regards, RIPE NCC Operations

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