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Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
by Hans Petter Holen 20 Dec '22

20 Dec '22

Dear colleagues, I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1]. After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year. The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022. The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process. From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community. It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation. Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval. We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources. As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC [1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/00366…

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] FW: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by Andrii Shevchuk 20 Dec '22

20 Dec '22

Dear colleagues > After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin > implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This > will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, > on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their > resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect > technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year. as for LIR Dataline LLC (ua.dataline), a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal is enough for the LIR to be able to secure its resources and the resources of its clients from illegal transfer. Thanks. // With best regards, Andrii Shevchuk CEO DATALINE LLC of.705, Solomyanska sq., 2, Kyiv, 03035, Ukraine tel/fax +380 (44) 373-68-00 gsm +380 (67) 659-82-15 email as(a)dataline.ua web www.dataline.ua Вы писали 19 грудня 2022 р., 20:46:10: > -------- Исходное сообщение -------- > От: vs(a)liptel.net.ua > Дата: 18.12.2022 10:39 (GMT+01:00) > Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > Тема: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs > Dear colleagues, > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > !!Not here in the working group.!! > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by vs＠liptel.net.ua 19 Dec '22

19 Dec '22

Dear colleagues, How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by ds＠eurolir.kiev.ua 19 Dec '22

19 Dec '22

hi this is a very good initiative I would like to participate in the voting От: <ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net> Кому: <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Отправлено: 18.12.2022 19:03 Тема: ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 16 Send ncc-services-wg mailing list submissions to ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at ncc-services-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ncc-services-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (Yuri Varenitsa) 2. Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (pavel(a)hostmaster.kiev.ua) 3. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (??????? ??????????) 4. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (Sergey Myasoedov) 5. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (??????? ??????????) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:06:21 +0200 From: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri(a)webber.net.ua> To: "ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net" <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <24907a28-6c56-9992-1c2c-36bcd2955241(a)webber.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Colleagues, I support the holding of a general vote between Ukrainian companies in order to be able to express their opinion on the issue of blocking. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 18.12.2022 14:32, Alexander Buzaev wrote: > Hello > > *I agree to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs, as well.* > > > -- > Alexander Buzaev > > > /18 December 2022, 14:29:29, by "Serhii Khomenko" > <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>>: / > > Hi, > > *I agree to do a survey. * > > Kind regards, > Serhii > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Viktor Stoliarchuk > 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a > couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with > thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > ? ?Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > ? ? !!Not here in the working group.!! > > ? ?The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only > squabbles. 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Pavel ????: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs ????: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:06:21 +0200 ??: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri(a)webber.net.ua> ????: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Colleagues, I support the holding of a general vote between Ukrainian companies in order to be able to express their opinion on the issue of blocking. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 18.12.2022 14:32, Alexander Buzaev wrote: > Hello > > *I agree to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs, as well.* > > > -- > Alexander Buzaev > > > /18 December 2022, 14:29:29, by "Serhii Khomenko" > <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>>: / > > ? ? Hi, > > ? ? *I agree to do a survey. * > > ? ? Kind regards, > ? ? Serhii > > ? ? _______________________________________________________________________ > > ? ? Viktor Stoliarchuk > ? ? 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET > > ? ? Dear colleagues, > > ? ? How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a > ? ? couple of people at the conference? > > ? ? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with > ? ? thousands of companies. > > > ? ? I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > ? ? THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > ? ? ?? ?Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > ? ? ?? ? !!Not here in the working group.!! > > ? ? ?? ?The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only > ? ? squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if > ? ? you are the New user. > > ? ? The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also > ? ? caused several questions) > > ? ? ?? ?It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country > ? ? and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. > ? ? Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > ? ? ?? ?(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > ? ? ?? ?I'm looking forward to your decision. > ? ? ?? ?I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > ? ? Best regards, > ? ? Viktor Stoliarchuk > > ? ? -- > > ? ? To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:22:04 +0200 From: ??????? ?????????? <nikolay.maslianikov(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <CAP94h=2kZc+JvZNkzRfOuaY+q=49hRvBDR8OOywDocFBt3bWyQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello everyone, I support polling IPv4 objects holders. Using this way RIPE can really protect the interests of its customers. ??, 18 ???. 2022 ?. ? 13:34, Askochenskaya Alexandra <askoch(a)merezha.net>: > > Hello > > I totally agree. Everyone should have the possibility to vote and tell it's opinion, if we live in a democracy world, of course. > > -- > Best regards, Alexandra > > > > On 18.12.22 13:09, dem wrote: > > > I agree > > -------- ???????? ????????? -------- > ??: vs(a)liptel.net.ua > ????: 18.12.2022 10:39 (GMT+01:00) > ????: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > ????: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 11:35:09 -0500 From: Sergey Myasoedov <sergey(a)devnull.ru> To: vs(a)liptel.net.ua, ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <B7A6F715-0FC5-459F-A90E-53ED5FD24033(a)devnull.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Viktor, I can?t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn?t be done for a single country. -- Best regards, Sergey Myasoedov > On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs(a)liptel.net.ua wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:02:48 +0200 From: ??????? ?????????? <nikolay.maslianikov(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <CAP94h=2mPqU7+e3vYdxuqZuGNEuwAoMKY8Z3vZXFN4Cf2yQcgg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" U r right, but do not limit the rights of clients of a single country while you are working on a security policy. ??, 18 ???. 2022 ?. ? 18:35, Sergey Myasoedov via ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net>: > > Hi Viktor, > > I can?t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn?t be done for a single country. > > > -- > Best regards, > Sergey Myasoedov > > > On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs(a)liptel.net.ua wrote: > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > > > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > > > > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > > > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > > > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > > > Best regards, > > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ End of ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 16 ************************************************

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by Eugene Shneider 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hi, am owner of network and i am supporting the idea of poll either to allow network transfers and want to participate in it.

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by pavel＠hostmaster.kiev.ua 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hello Yes, it would be good to see a list or at least a percentage of people who really want to block resources. my intuition tells me, it will be very short. Pavel Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Дата: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:06:21 +0200 От: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri(a)webber.net.ua> Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Colleagues, I support the holding of a general vote between Ukrainian companies in order to be able to express their opinion on the issue of blocking. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 18.12.2022 14:32, Alexander Buzaev wrote: > Hello > > *I agree to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs, as well.* > > > -- > Alexander Buzaev > > > /18 December 2022, 14:29:29, by "Serhii Khomenko" > <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>>: / > > Hi, > > *I agree to do a survey. * > > Kind regards, > Serhii > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Viktor Stoliarchuk > 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a > couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with > thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only > squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if > you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also > caused several questions) > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country > and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. > Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > >

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by Serhii Khomenko 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hi, *I agree to do a survey. * Kind regards, Serhii _______________________________________________________________________ Viktor Stoliarchuk 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET Dear colleagues, How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk

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(no subject)
by Yuri Demenin 16 Dec '22

16 Dec '22

Can you please explain why my blocks are blocked for the transfer? What should I give more? I need to transfer resources before the end of this year and this is vital for me !! I represent myself, not Tuliev or anyone else. I think we all have the right to dispose our resources by own choice, according RIPE policy of course. But now I feel like a prisoner. RIPE NCC doesn't give any explanation. Once again. I need to transfer resources till the end of the year.

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Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
by Hans Petter Holen 14 Dec '22

14 Dec '22

Dear colleagues, At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points: - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board. We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
by Yuri Varenitsa 14 Dec '22

14 Dec '22

Dear all We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed. What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets? Can you give please approximate date of feedback? There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru. All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful" actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much." What will we do next? -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote: > > > > -------- Перенаправленное сообщение -------- > Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks > Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200 > От: Max Tulyev <president(a)ukraine.su> > Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > > Indeed. > > There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And > transfers works with them well. > > 06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише: >> Dear Olena, >> >> I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that >> registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders >> of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a >> big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with >> Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent >> information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an >> advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and >> violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But >> you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the >> transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied. >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea(a)webpro.net.ua >> <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote: >> >> Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga >> >> I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with >> Russians, who might force IP >> holders to make unlawful transfers." >> Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an >> email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact >> on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled >> territories. >> Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change >> every day. >> I must also remind you _that open company registries are not >> available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible >> to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions. >> >> Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. >> But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic >> that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check. >> >> >> Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. >> And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war. >> >> >> _______________ >> Best regards, >> Olena Kushnir >> >> www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua> >> >> >>> 5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла): >>> >>> Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues, >>> >>> It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP >>> address >>> transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled >>> territories. >>> But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any >>> accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 >>> meeting. >>> It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to >>> counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities. >>> >>> Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the >>> danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and >>> electricity >>> outages, which cause absence of water and heating. >>> But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP >>> holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous >>> discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian >>> Government-controlled >>> territory does more harm than good. >>> >>> Your comprehension are greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Olha Sira >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen >>> <hph+announce(a)ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community >>>> discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian >>>> networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at >>>> RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. >>>> >>>> At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the >>>> following points: >>>> >>>> - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian >>>> networks until a better solution can be found >>>> - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to >>>> lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for >>>> a set period of time >>>> - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without >>>> going through the policy development process, especially as >>>> policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP >>>> even if there is unanimous support >>>> - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more >>>> active role in terms of approving registry updates >>>> - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency >>>> >>>> However, we do note that there have been further comments on the >>>> mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. >>>> >>>> As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian >>>> networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of >>>> course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when >>>> reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, >>>> which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and >>>> given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. >>>> >>>> This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the >>>> advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC >>>> staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures >>>> and we will update you on our next steps after these have been >>>> discussed with the Executive Board. >>>> >>>> We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the >>>> mailing lists in the meantime. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Hans Petter Holen >>>> Managing Director >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, >>>> or change your subscription options, please visit: >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >>>> <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or >>> change your subscription options, please visit: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >>> <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg> >> >> >

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