December 2022 - ncc-services-wg

Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by pavel＠hostmaster.kiev.ua 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hello Yes, it would be good to see a list or at least a percentage of people who really want to block resources. my intuition tells me, it will be very short. Pavel Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Дата: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:06:21 +0200 От: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri(a)webber.net.ua> Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Colleagues, I support the holding of a general vote between Ukrainian companies in order to be able to express their opinion on the issue of blocking. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 18.12.2022 14:32, Alexander Buzaev wrote: > Hello > > *I agree to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs, as well.* > > > -- > Alexander Buzaev > > > /18 December 2022, 14:29:29, by "Serhii Khomenko" > <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>>: / > > Hi, > > *I agree to do a survey. * > > Kind regards, > Serhii > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Viktor Stoliarchuk > 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a > couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with > thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only > squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if > you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also > caused several questions) > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country > and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. > Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > >

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by Serhii Khomenko 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hi, *I agree to do a survey. * Kind regards, Serhii _______________________________________________________________________ Viktor Stoliarchuk 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET Dear colleagues, How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk

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(no subject)
by Yuri Demenin 16 Dec '22

16 Dec '22

Can you please explain why my blocks are blocked for the transfer? What should I give more? I need to transfer resources before the end of this year and this is vital for me !! I represent myself, not Tuliev or anyone else. I think we all have the right to dispose our resources by own choice, according RIPE policy of course. But now I feel like a prisoner. RIPE NCC doesn't give any explanation. Once again. I need to transfer resources till the end of the year.

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Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
by Hans Petter Holen 14 Dec '22

14 Dec '22

Dear colleagues, At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following points: - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks until a better solution can be found - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set period of time - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going through the policy development process, especially as policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is unanimous support - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active role in terms of approving registry updates - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency However, we do note that there have been further comments on the mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the Executive Board. We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the mailing lists in the meantime. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
by Yuri Varenitsa 13 Dec '22

13 Dec '22

Dear all We have sent almost dozen of tickets starting the November. Neither one is closed. What should I say to the clients? How long will it take now to get the answer to the tickets? Can you give please approximate date of feedback? There is no such attitude even towards Iran and ru. All agreements and contracts were hung up thanks to the "wonderful" actions of Fedienko and co, which are even NOT a LIR at all. "They helped so much." What will we do next? -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 08.12.2022 12:59, Kseniya Sokol wrote: > > > > -------- Перенаправленное сообщение -------- > Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks > Дата: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:08:50 +0200 > От: Max Tulyev <president(a)ukraine.su> > Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > > Indeed. > > There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And > transfers works with them well. > > 06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише: >> Dear Olena, >> >> I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that >> registered on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders >> of the occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a >> big part of the country isn't affected by direct contact with >> Russians. I am sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent >> information about the general situation in Ukraine and get an >> advantage from that situation in our country. You mention horror and >> violence in uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But >> you are using this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the >> transfers for the rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied. >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea(a)webpro.net.ua >> <mailto:kea@webpro.net.ua>> wrote: >> >> Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga >> >> I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with >> Russians, who might force IP >> holders to make unlawful transfers." >> Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an >> email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact >> on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled >> territories. >> Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change >> every day. >> I must also remind you _that open company registries are not >> available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible >> to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions. >> >> Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. >> But the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic >> that a legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check. >> >> >> Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. >> And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war. >> >> >> _______________ >> Best regards, >> Olena Kushnir >> >> www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua> >> >> >>> 5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:vasylevych@gmail.com>> написав(ла): >>> >>> Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues, >>> >>> It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP >>> address >>> transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled >>> territories. >>> But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any >>> accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 >>> meeting. >>> It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to >>> counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities. >>> >>> Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the >>> danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and >>> electricity >>> outages, which cause absence of water and heating. >>> But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP >>> holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous >>> discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian >>> Government-controlled >>> territory does more harm than good. >>> >>> Your comprehension are greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Olha Sira >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen >>> <hph+announce(a)ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce@ripe.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community >>>> discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian >>>> networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at >>>> RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. >>>> >>>> At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the >>>> following points: >>>> >>>> - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian >>>> networks until a better solution can be found >>>> - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to >>>> lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for >>>> a set period of time >>>> - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without >>>> going through the policy development process, especially as >>>> policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP >>>> even if there is unanimous support >>>> - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more >>>> active role in terms of approving registry updates >>>> - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency >>>> >>>> However, we do note that there have been further comments on the >>>> mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. >>>> >>>> As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian >>>> networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of >>>> course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when >>>> reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, >>>> which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and >>>> given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. >>>> >>>> This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the >>>> advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC >>>> staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures >>>> and we will update you on our next steps after these have been >>>> discussed with the Executive Board. >>>> >>>> We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the >>>> mailing lists in the meantime. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Hans Petter Holen >>>> Managing Director >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, >>>> or change your subscription options, please visit: >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >>>> <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or >>> change your subscription options, please visit: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >>> <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg> >> >> >

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Ukrainian transfers
by Max Tulyev 13 Dec '22

13 Dec '22

Hi All, I'm writing about Ukrainian IP transfers again. During the last RIPE meeting we have figured out there is NO consensus about freezing all transfers of Ukrainian resources. But in fact this freeze was implemented by RIPE NCC staff. There was no transfers since that time, and hostmasters tells "we are still waiting for decision of RIPE NCC management in regards to the Ukrainian transfers". This means Ukrainian companies depending on that transfers can not fulfill their obligations to contractors because of RIPE NCC. This also means they will have to pay fines to contractors as well. Also I'm afraid if transfers will not be executed until the end of December, some companies wishes to close their LIRs after the transfer will be pushed to pay a next year payment to NCC. And all of that is for our members are in financial distress because of the war. It means the current RIPE NCC staff do not rely anymore on community, as the ban was implemented in the situation of no community consensus, but under the pressure of doubtful government representatives. So, do we really want to have that RIPE(NCC)?

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian transfers
by Max Tulyev 13 Dec '22

13 Dec '22

Nice. What about Donetsk and Kherson, which are "officially russian" same way? 13.12.22 16:34, ksyu(a)netassist.ua пише: > > ... that RIPE(NCC) that added COUNTRY RU > to the companies which are located in Crimea > > And do not make any ua transfers. > > This is not the position "that you are out politics" > > Regards, Kseniia > > -------- Оригінальне повідомлення -------- > Від: Max Tulyev <president(a)ukraine.su> > Дата: 13.12.22 14:32 (GMT+01:00) > Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > Тема: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian transfers > > Hi All, > > I'm writing about Ukrainian IP transfers again. > > During the last RIPE meeting we have figured out there is NO consensus > about freezing all transfers of Ukrainian resources. But in fact this > freeze was implemented by RIPE NCC staff. There was no transfers since > that time, and hostmasters tells "we are still waiting for decision of > RIPE NCC management in regards to the Ukrainian transfers". > > This means Ukrainian companies depending on that transfers can not > fulfill their obligations to contractors because of RIPE NCC. This also > means they will have to pay fines to contractors as well. > > Also I'm afraid if transfers will not be executed until the end of > December, some companies wishes to close their LIRs after the transfer > will be pushed to pay a next year payment to NCC. > > And all of that is for our members are in financial distress because of > the war. > > It means the current RIPE NCC staff do not rely anymore on community, as > the ban was implemented in the situation of no community consensus, but > under the pressure of doubtful government representatives. > > So, do we really want to have that RIPE(NCC)? > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or > change your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >

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