July 2021 - ncc-services-wg - mailman.ripe.net

State of sanctions
by Athina Fragkouli 24 Nov '21

24 Nov '21

Dear Alex, Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. As an association under Dutch law, the RIPE NCC is in principle subject to EU and Dutch sanctions regulations. Of relevance to us are financial sanctions, which consist of: - Freezing of funds and economic resources of designated persons and entities; and - A prohibition on making funds and economic resources available to such persons and entities. So far, these sanctions apply to designated persons and entities listed in EU sanctions regulations for Iran and Syria. You can find the legislation (along with sanctioned persons/entities) here: - Iran: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32012R0267 <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32012R0267> - Syria: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32012R0036 <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32012R0036> Please note that the list of designated persons and entities is regularly updated. The RIPE NCC has reviewed its membership and has set a restriction on transfer and resource requests for three of its members. This was announced by the RIPE NCC Executive Board last year in April[1], followed by an update in June[2]. In late December 2020, the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) confirmed to the RIPE NCC its understanding that IP resources are considered economic resources, as defined in the EU sanctions regulations, and must be frozen for sanctioned entities. The MFA's primary concern is in terms of preventing the IP resources of sanctioned entities from being transferred, as well as preventing the allocation of additional resources. However, the MFA also said it believed the RIPE NCC had taken adequate steps to ensure compliance with sanctions and there was no need to deregister the IP resources of the three affected members. This was announced by the RIPE NCC Executive Board in March[3]. Please also note that the RIPE NCC had requested an exemption from EU sanctions regulations. However, the MFA stated that according to the regulation, there was no legal basis to exempt IP resources from sanctions. Regarding your last point, it might be difficult to provide a detailed overview, as anything we publish will have to be sufficiently anonymised to avoid identifying the affected members. However, we will see what we can do here, as we appreciate the value in having transparent reporting around this issue. Kind regards, Athina Fragkouli Chief Legal Officer RIPE NCC [1] Sanctions and the RIPE NCC: Current Status and Executive Board Position: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2020-April/001413.html <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2020-April/001413.html> [2] Sanctions and the RIPE NCC: Status Update https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2020-June/001427.html <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2020-June/001427.html> [3] RIPE NCC Sanctions Update: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2021-March/001477.html <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2021-March/001477.html> > > From: Alex Le Heux <aleheux(a)tucowsinc.com <mailto:aleheux@tucowsinc.com>> > Subject: [ncc-services-wg] State of sanctions > Date: 20 May 2021 at 16:28:49 CEST > To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> > > Hi All, > > The various types of sanctions and or such limits that apply to the RIPE NCC’s services have been a recurring topic for a couple years now. Recently, this seems to pop up more often though. This isn’t surprising as sanctions have become a more popular tool in the last few years. > > It occurred to me that we don’t seem to have a clear overview of what the total effect is: > > - Which sanctions, imposed by whom, affect the RIPE NCC’s operations and services? > - Who are the targets of these sanctions? > - Which of the RIPE NCC’s services are affected by these sanctions, for whom and in which way? > > (Please read “sanctions” with a wide definition and include such things as Dutch banks looking for money laundering that was mentioned during RIPE82) > > If there is a detailed overview of all this available, could the RIPE NCC publish this periodically? If not, can they start doing so? > > Best regards, > > Alex Le Heux

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New on RIPE Labs: RIPE NCC and the Cloud - Let’s Start Again
by Patrik Fältström 11 Aug '21

11 Aug '21

I see the discussion about "RIPE NCC and cloud" in the archives and believe one of the reasons there seems to be a confusion is that indeed many issues are mixed in the same...hmm...whatever. I personally think deployment "in the cloud" implies an ability to deploy services in such a way (orchestration) that resources are dynamically allocated depending on for example load. This implies automatic scaling and dynamic allocation of storage, memory and CPU. Efficient such deployment can to some degree be independent of who is the provider of "the cloud". Quite often it is mostly efficient if in normal load it is deployed "on prem" while dynamic allocation during extreme load is "to an external provider". This to get most efficient use of the hardware one have invested in. For this to work, it is important to not(!) use specific services that often can also be offered by the provider of the cloud service. And this regardless of whether the deployment is on prem or externally. My suggested request to RIPE NCC is because of this to implement orchestration of services in such a way that the mechanism used is as provider neutral as possible. The 2nd request could be to remind RIPE NCC to do the actual deployment in an as efficient way as possible (whether on prem or not), but to be honest, this is what I always expect the Managing Director to do, and I do not think we members should do micro management. On top of this we have policy related requirements that in turn can be divided in two: 1. That RIPE NCC do not violate any by law requirements on data, data transfer, data storage and such things; and 2. That the policy expressed by the RIPE Community that is on top of the regulative requirements is implemented. Regarding these, I sure hope RIPE NCC is not violate any regulation. If they do we have some other issues. The 2nd list of requirements might have to do with the quite complicated situation RIPE NCC is in, to have customers in many different jurisdictions and the union of these legislations might be implemented in multiple ways, and when doing this selection on how to do "the right thing", RIPE community might have some interest in influencing it. I believe we see this for example in the DB WG on how to implement the database and here in this WG. But, separate from this I see questions where RIPE members do ask RIPE NCC to be more transparent on how (for example) legislation in the Netherlands is implemented. What I think we in the community should do though is to separate between when we want transparency and when we do believe we really do have input on issues that do not micro manage the work the managing director do. Personally, I think the Managing Director and his staff is doing good stuff and see no reason what so ever to question what decisions they have made. That said, I am curious in some cases to know what decisions they have made as maybe I have the same or similar deliberations to do at Netnod and might want to know more. But I do not question them. So, many things are intertwined and specifically mixed up are "us members being curious" and "us members actually wanting to provide input". From a technical stand point, I think the most important thing for "cloud" is to choose interoperable solutions so that migration from one cloud to another is possible, or at least as easy as possible. Including on-prem-clouds. Best, Patrik

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Related prefixes
by Hank Nussbacher 29 Jul '21

29 Jul '21

Is it just me or can others always reach: https://stat.ripe.net/widget/related-prefixes Sometimes works - sometimes 504 Gateway Time-out (nginx) Thanks, Hank

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Reminder: RIPE NCC Services WG Session on Cloud Strategy
by Felipe Victolla Silveira 28 Jul '21

28 Jul '21

Dear colleagues, Just a reminder that the RIPE NCC Services WG will be holding an interim session to discuss our cloud strategy today at 16:00 (UTC+2). We will give an update on our current thinking and hear more from the RIPE community on this. You can find the details for the session at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-July/003446.ht… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-July/003446.ht…> Kind regards, Felipe Silveira Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE NCC Infosheet
by Antony Gollan 22 Jul '21

22 Jul '21

Dear Hank, Thank you for pointing this out. We have updated the PDF on that link. Kind regards Antony Gollan Communications Team Manager RIPE NCC > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:49:43 +0300 > From: Hank Nussbacher <hank(a)interall.co.il> > To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE NCC Infosheet > > Shouldn't this brochure be taken down or updated: > https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/infosheet.pdf > 7150 members? Fees from 2011? > > Regards, > Hank

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Interim RIPE NCC Services WG Session on Cloud Strategy
by Felipe Victolla Silveira 22 Jul '21

22 Jul '21

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC Services WG will be holding an interim session on our cloud strategy on 28 July at 16:00 (UTC+2). If you would like to participate, you can find the details for this session here: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-July/003446.ht… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-July/003446.ht…> At this session we will give an update on our current thinking and hear more from the RIPE community* to see if we can find a path towards rough consensus. We will publish an initial draft strategy shortly after the WG session and continue the discussion from there. Our strategy will also include some principles for how we will engage with the community around our core services and we will discuss this in the session as well. Kind regards, Felipe Silveira Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC *The beginning of this discussion in the RIPE NCC Services WG can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-June/003408.ht… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-June/003408.ht…>

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NCC Services WG Interim meetings
by Kurtis Lindqvist 22 Jul '21

22 Jul '21

All, The NCC Services WG chairs have received a request from the RIPE NCC for an interim meeting from the RIPE NCC to allow for a focused discussion around the NCC’s Cloud Strategy. The chairs have agreed to hold this interim meeting and due to the holiday times have opted to have two meetings to ensure maximum participation of the RIPE community. The first interim meeting will be on July the 28th at 16:00 CEST via Zoom. This meeting will be recorded and we will publish the recording. To meeting details for this session is : Topic: NCC Services WG Meeting Time: Jul 28, 2021 16:00 Amsterdam Join Zoom Meeting https://ripe.zoom.us/j/93434716511?pwd=dm43MHc2UXl3LzZndElJM2dMSnFHZz09 Meeting ID: 934 3471 6511 Passcode: 330022 Join by SIP 93434716511(a)zoomcrc.com Join by H.323 162.255.37.11 (US West) 162.255.36.11 (US East) 221.122.88.195 (China) 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) 213.244.140.110 (Germany) 103.122.166.55 (Australia Sydney) 103.122.167.55 (Australia Melbourne) 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) 69.174.57.160 (Canada Toronto) 65.39.152.160 (Canada Vancouver) 207.226.132.110 (Japan Tokyo) 149.137.24.110 (Japan Osaka) Meeting ID: 934 3471 6511 Passcode: 330022 The second one will be on September the 6th at 16:00 CEST. Meeting details for meeting will be circulated later. The NCC have notified us that they intend to publish a further RIPE Labs article before the first interim meeting. These meetings are only intended to allow for discussion between the NCC and the RIPE community around the Cloud strategy and RIPE NCC’s use of Cloud services in a more focused environment than mailing lists allow for, but the mailing lists still remains the main discussion forum for the WG. On behalf of the RIPE NCC Service WG Chairs

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New on RIPE Labs: RIPE NCC and the Cloud - Let’s Start Again
by Alun Davies 05 Jul '21

05 Jul '21

Dear colleagues, The community’s reaction to our cloud proposal was stronger than expected. In this article we look at some of the concerns we have seen so far, to make sure we heard you correctly: https://labs.ripe.net/author/felipe_victolla_silveira/ripe-ncc-and-the-clou… Please share any comments on this mailing list so the discussion can continue. Kind regards, Alun Davies RIPE Labs Editor RIPE NCC

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