August 2012 - ncc-services-wg

RIPE NCC Webinars - new dates
by Training Mailbox 08 Oct '12

08 Oct '12

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, We're pleased to announce that we've added new RIPE NCC Webinar dates for RIPE NCC members. The RIPE NCC Webinars are live, one-hour online training courses that allow participants to interact with our trainers without leaving their desks. We focus on the topics and issues most important to RIPE NCC members. Register now at: <https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/training/e-learning/webinars> Participation is limited to 20 people, so don't hesitate if you want to take part! If you have questions, please email <e-learning(a)ripe.net>. We look forward to seeing you online. Kind regards, RIPE NCC Training Services

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Destruction of trust
by Havard Eidnes 21 Sep '12

21 Sep '12

Hi, as you may be aware, the RIPE NCC is currently engaged in an activity to establish contact with legacy address space holders, and among other things to set up a contractual relationship between the RIPE NCC and the legacy resource holders. However, it is my opinion that the current RIPE NCC actions with legacy resource holders is destroying some of the valuable trust they have built in the community over the years. It has been said that "the RIPE NCC does what the members tell them to do". That does however not appear to be the case for this action, where the RIPE NCC appears to act in a policy-free zone, simply on executive decision. Despite the RIPE NCCs knowledge that work is ongoing to formulate a policy for this area, they are barging ahead, possibly in an attempt to establish a fait accompli. The message sent to the legacy resource holders does not mention the option which would probably be most preferable to at least most of our customers, namely registering the resources via the LIR at their service provider. One could suspect the RIPE NCC has self-interest in driving up the number of LIRs, to increase the number of paying customers of the RIPE NCC. Some of the documents about the approach with legacy resource holders has mentioned a "stick and carrot" approach. I'll claim that the stick is needlessly sharp and the carrot reeks of decomposition. Explanation: * The stick is primarily the "we cannot guarantee in-addr.arpa name service". Without it, a user will in practice be unable to operate mail servers within the affected address space, which would be a severe blow to those who still actively use their address space. The freezing of the registry data is an inconvenience which will ensure that the accuracy of the data whittles over time, an action initiated by the RIPE NCC no less... Many legacy resource holders have not updated their records in a long time already (many didn't have an actual need to do so), so while inconvenient, it's not as strong a stick as the threat of removal of the in-addr.arpa delegation. It should however be noted that the whittling of the registration data over time also is detrimental for the RIPE community at large, not only for the address space holder. * What's the carrot? Only the removal of the stick from above? What makes the carrot particularly rotten is several things: * The open-ended and unliateral application of "all relevant RIPE NCC policies and procedures". The fear would be "we will mire you or your LIR (or both) down in pointless address policy work to document ancient history, and have the RIPE NCC verify (or deny, as the case may be) all assignments done over time" (applicable where address space has been used in PA-fashion). ...or for PI-style assignments, the assignment itself might be challenged. * The highly uncertain status of the charging scheme in the longer term for the legacy resource holders, where the initial proposal to modify today's model had, with no discussion, abolished the "age based discount", and where current discussion is rampant with "payment per IP address" schemes. The fear is that the RIPE NCC will gouge the legacy resource holders either directly or indirectly, "motivating" them to hand back the resource. * The lack of recognition that these addresses were assigned under a different policy. Anecdotal evidence suggests that at one time you would be handed a class-B instead of 4 class-Cs because there was fear of growth of the routing table. Does the RIPE NCC now want to challenge the assignments? In sum, this makes the RIPE NCC appear more as an extorting bully rather than an agent who has the accuracy of the address register as its foremost priority, and this destroys some of the valuable trust they have built in the community over the years. Regards, - Håvard

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LIR association with number resources
by Nick Hilliard 11 Sep '12

11 Sep '12

Hi, The RIPE NCC maintains a list of what allocations are associated with what LIR in the following file: ftp.ripe.net:/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt However, this file is limited to v4/v6 allocations only. There are no direct assignments (PI addresses), no ASNs or other number resources (e.g. ERX under contract, and so forth). Would it be possible for the NCC to examine whether they could publish what LIR is associated with what number resource, for all the number resources they handle, not just allocations? Nick

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ERX transfer agreement with Internet
by Nick Hilliard 04 Sep '12

04 Sep '12

could someone point me in the direction of the InterNIC->RIPE NCC ERX transfer agreement, if this exists? Nick

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Announcing RIPE Atlas Anchors, Pilot Phase
by Vesna Manojlovic 31 Aug '12

31 Aug '12

Dear colleagues, [apologies for duplicate messages] Please find a new article on RIPE Labs describing the details of RIPE Atlas Anchors: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/dfk/ripe-atlas-anchors Right now, we are looking for a small number of pilot hosts from the RIPE NCC membership for deployment to begin in October 2012. If you are interested, please contact me or Daniel Karrenberg before the RIPE65. We will be discussing further details at the RIPE meeting. Regards, Vesna Manojlovic -- Vesna Manojlovic BECHA(a)ripe.net Senior Community Builder +31205354444 for Measurements Tools RIPE NCC http://ripe.net

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NCC Services WG Draft Agenda - RIPE 65
by Bijal Sanghani 30 Aug '12

30 Aug '12

Dear colleague, Please see below and online the draft agenda for the NCC Services WG - RIPE 65 - https://ripe65.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/services-wg/ Date: Wednesday 26 September 2012 Time: 16.00 - 17.45 Chair: Kurtis Lindqvist Co-Chair: Bijal Sanghani A. Administrative Matters (5 minutes) Welcome Select a scribe Finalise agenda Approve minutes from RIPE 64 B. Report from RIPE NCC - Axel Pawlik, RIPE NCC (30 minutes) C. IP Anlyiser API - Alex Band, RIPE NCC (10 minutes) D. IPv4 Final Distribution – update - Andrea Cima, RIPE NCC (10 minutes) E. Proposed Policy for RIPE NCC Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders - Niall O’ Reilly (40 minutes) F. Open Microphone Session Z. AOB regards, Bijal

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New on RIPE Labs: Dry-run for last /10 procedures
by Mirjam Kuehne 23 Aug '12

23 Aug '12

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC did a "dry run" for the procedures that will start when we reach the last /10 of IPv4 address space. Please find more information about it on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/andrea/ripe-ncc-dry-run-for-last-10-procedures Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Training Courses April-June 2012 - IL, BE, IS, PL, RU, FI, NL, DE, ES, HR
by Training Mailbox 23 Aug '12

23 Aug '12

Dear Colleagues, Our training team travels the RIPE NCC service region to deliver training courses to our members without any additional cost. Over the next few months, we'll be in Tel Aviv, Brussels, Reykjavik, Belfast, Gdansk, Yekaterinburg, Helsinki, Amsterdam, Munich, Seville and Croatia. Visit the following page to register and to check which training courses we are giving in your area: https://lirportal.ripe.net/training/courses The RIPE NCC delivers the following training courses: - LIR Training Course - IPv6 for LIRs Training Course - Routing Registry Training Course For more information visit: http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/training/courses With kind regards, Rumy Spratley-Kanis Training Services Manager

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ERX policy proposal.
by Måns Nilsson 23 Aug '12

23 Aug '12

I have read the policy proposal as posted by Niall and support it. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 I just got my PRINCE bumper sticker ... But now I can't remember WHO he is ...

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Call for Agenda Items - NCC Services WG RIPE65
by Bijal Sanghani 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

Dear NCC-Services WG, RIPE65 is approaching fast and we are starting to put together the agenda together for the NCC Services WG. This is your opportunity to let the RIPE NCC know what you want from them, if you would like to suggest a topic for discussion or have a presentation you have or would like to see presented please get in touch with Kurtis or myself. Kind regards, Bijal Sanghani

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Updated: “Independent Internet Number Resources – Contractual Relationship Changes Between Sponsoring LIR and End User”
by Athina Fragkouli 06 Aug '12

06 Aug '12

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC has published a new version of the procedural document “Independent Internet Number Resources – Contractual Relationship Changes Between Sponsoring LIR and End User”. This document replaces RIPE Document ripe-516. The procedural document describes the modifications that could be made to a contractual relationship between a sponsoring Local Internet Registry (LIR) and an End User of independent Internet number resources, and the possible consequences of such changes or of failure to communicate these changes to the RIPE NCC. The new document is available at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-559 Regards, Athina Fragkouli Legal Counsel RIPE NCC

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