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Dear Colleagues,
The RIPE NCC has published a new RIPE NCC procedural document:
ripe-475, "Independent Internet Number Resources – Contractual
Relationship Changes between sponsoring LIR and End User"
This document describes the steps to be taken when there are changes in
the contractual relationship between the End User of independent
Internet number resources and the sponsoring Local Internet Registry
(LIR). It also describes the scenarios in which the RIPE NCC may
de-register independent Internet number resources and what happens to
those resources once they are de-registered.
The new document is available at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html
Kind regards,
Andrea Cima
RIPE NCC
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Hello Mark,
> If you ask me it should be allowed to use PI space for clients (and
> give
> clients the option to use/maintain more than a /30 (IPv4)).
PI policy explicitly states that PI space can not be re-assigned or
further assigned to other parties. See http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-471.html#9
. Any organisation that needs address space for its customers must use
PA space. The definition of an LIR is that it assigns address space to
its customers. PI space is (per definition) only to be used by the
company that requested it itself.
> It is also in my
> opinion not to RIPE (community or the NCC) to ask that information.
> The
> should ask for general usage, how much would be used for clients for
> example. How many clients a company has shouldn't be important to
> get PI.
In this case it doesn't matter. That the company needs address space
for *any* customers indicates that PI space is not appropriate and PA
space should be used. The company uses address space for customers and
therefore must become an LIR.
I think it is now time to stop this discussion, at least on the
address policy mailing list. This discussion is not leading to a
viable policy proposal.
Thanks,
Sander Steffann
APWG co-chair
Hello Members,
I'd like to state a complaint toward overly complicated issues with
requesting PI space as a LIR for a customer.
Situation: I have a customer who's purchased a router and wants his own
IP space+AS number to start multihoming. Since he's pretty new to
routing and policies of RIPE and managing the database to keep things
going, we as LIR offered him to do this for him at the startup phase.
Currently he'll be hosting several services from within our PA ranges
and will start growing his new resources in the PI space he wants.
After filling in the request forms, his AS got approved pending the PI
/24 range assignment. And that's been a process that's currently
becoming something ridiculous.
Initially I got some return questions on how the subnets would be sliced
up, what would be used for management of the routers, if IP's are being
assigned statically or dynamically, how much IP's a customer would use
and if PA space is being returned. Questions (except for the 'how much
IP's will a customer use') I can understand and all answered.
Then in a follow-up I got asked what the montly growth is, who's
administratively responsible for the IP's and how they're going to be
used on the servers.
Then in a next follow up I got pointed to using PA space either from us
or a different provider or that the customer should become LIR himself
since we as LIR cannot sub-allocate PI space. (something that's not
intended in the first place at all, we just administer it on a contract
base until he understands procedures)
And then after explaining that we will only help the customer on
contract base and not sub-allocate anything, another follow-up comes
that no customer can use more then 1 or 2 IP's and once again a question
on how many servers are involved here.
And that's where I'm at now. I've been trying to request PI space for
our customer since last friday, and in my opinion there's too much
meddling into internal business by RIPE here and this is taking a
ridiculous amount of time and communication.
As a LIR we hand out IP space responsibly to our customers, for a good
technical and administrative reason we have a customer who wants his own
PI assignment and I'm asking him questions about his business that lean
towards a company secret. In my opinion RIPE has absolutely no business
in asking how many customers and/or servers someone has and stating that
a customer can not use >2 IP's in that PI space (what if someone has
*gasp* 3 SSL websites ?, I cannot imagine that happening.., ever).
Also neither we or our customer has a crystal ball to see in the future,
so sure I can tell the amount of customer growth I'll be expecting or
HOPING to see, but come on.
I know IPv4 space must be handed out responsibly, but this is seriously
going too far, especially for a LIR. Supposedly I cannot give a
routing-reason for requesting PI space, but part of that IS important on
why I'm requesting it. It's really not desirable for us AND for my
customer to chop out a part of my PA space and announce in smaller
chunks from his own AS on the same exchange points we're on and this
customer is NOT at the stage yet to become a full LIR himself.
--
Met vriendelijke groet,
Jeroen Wunnink,
EasyHosting B.V. Systeembeheerder
systeembeheer(a)easyhosting.nl
telefoon:+31 (035) 6285455 Postbus 48
fax: +31 (035) 6838242 3755 ZG Eemnes
http://www.easyhosting.nlhttp://www.easycolocate.nl
[Apologies for duplicates]
Dear Colleagues,
The deadline for responding to the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey has
been extended to Friday, 10 July 2009.
This survey is being conducted by TNO and GNKS Consult, working with the
RIPE NCC and sponsored by the European Commission. The aim is to collect
data on the current and future use of IPv6 throughout the RIPE NCC
service region, and all members of the RIPE community are encouraged to
participate.
You can access the survey at:
http://is-nri.com/take/?i=150597&h=1GwWe3dXXMcPrRrOw5s2yg
The survey is composed of 16 questions and can be completed in 10-15
minutes. Results will be presented and discussed at RIPE 59 and
published on IPv6 Act Now:
http://ipv6actnow.org
Please note that all data will be kept confidential at all times, and
will only be disclosed on an aggregated level.
For more information on the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey, please see:
http://www.ripe.net/news/ipv6-deployment-monitoring-survey.html
We appreciate your time and interest in completing this survey. If you
have any questions concerning the survey, please send an email to
<info(a)gnksconsult.com>.
Regards,
Paul Rendek
Head of External Relations and Communications
RIPE NCC
