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Voting Options at General Meetings
by Axel Pawlik 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC Executive Board has been evaluating various options regarding the proposal to change the voting procedure currently used to elect the Executive Board during General Meetings. Several of these options were presented at the General Meeting in May 2009. Please refer to this presentation for more details: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2009/presentations/ After discussion during this meeting, there was no clear consensus on how to proceed. The minutes of the General Meeting are available at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2009/minutes.html The Executive Board concluded that in order to widen participation in elections, it will propose to allow voting by postal ballot for Executive Board elections. This addition to the voting process will not require a major effort or a major investment from the RIPE NCC. The Executive Board will monitor whether this enhancement leads to increased participation and based on these outcomes will decide on further steps. Membership discussion of the proposed changes to voting options for General Meetings can take place at <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>. For your information, there has already been some discussion on the members-discuss mailing list. The mailing list archive is available at: http://www.ripe.net/maillists/ncc-archives/members-discuss/2009/index.html#… Best regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Jochem de Ruig 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Hi, Just to clarify towards the mailing list >> >> Below the total score per billing category. >> Billing category, Total score Extra Small, 101,836 Small, >> 235,263 Medium, 500,140 Large, 715,794 Extra Large, 1,661,418 > > Thank you very much, it is very interesting. Somebody told me before > it was confidential, but i was not understanding why : it appears it > is not confidential. > No the total sum per billing category is not confidential. The individual score of registries is treated as confidential information. >> Note that these scores are based on different Internet Number Resources >> over time so this will not give you accurate information on the specific >> resources used per category. > > Yes, the billing scheme use a table showing how much each ressource is > worth points. Please would you also give us the mumbers of each > ressources (N°of : AS, /19V4, /20V4, /21V4, /22V4, /30V6, /31V6, > /32V6, /33V6) used in each billing category ? > You can find this table in the Charging Scheme, in the appendix I > Are they any other ressources used by members or users of RIPE/RIPE NCC ? Also this you can find this table in the Charging Scheme, in the appendix I Kind regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC > Best regards, ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Jochem de Ruig 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Hi, >>> >>> This Draft is showing us the "Percentage of Total Members per Billing >>> Category" table, but to understand the ressource management and "the >>> workload involved in providing the services", i would need to see a >>> table showing us the number of ressources (AS, /19V4,...,/32V6) and >>> TotalScoring per Billing categories. >>> >>> Would anybody from RIPE able to summarize and show such a table on the >>> list ? >> >> The table you can find the table of the total billing scores for 2009 in >> the billing procedure see: >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/procedure-lir.html > > I understand the calculations (now :-) and know the maximum score for > each category, but i would need the SUM of the scores of all members > in each category : this will give us a view on how ressources are used > by each category. > > As far as i know, this is not published to members until now, may you > please make this important information available to members ? > Correct we have never published this but it is possible to publish the total sum per category: Below the total score per billing category. Billing category, Total score Extra Small, 101,836 Small, 235,263 Medium, 500,140 Large, 715,794 Extra Large, 1,661,418 Note that these scores are based on different Internet Number Resources over time so this will not give you accurate information on the specific resources used per category. Kind regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC > Best regards, ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Jochem de Ruig 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Hi Bernard, >> discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May >> 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. > > Please could anyone tell me where i can find a description of these > discussions ? I have only found the presentation made at : > http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2009/presentations/charging-scheme-… > > but no description of discussions around this presentation. > The minutes of the General Meeting have only just become available you can see them at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2009/minutes.html The discussion that took place on this mailing list you can find on: http://www.ripe.net/maillists/ncc-archives/members-discuss/2009/index.html#… >> The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at: >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html > > This Draft is showing us the "Percentage of Total Members per Billing > Category" table, but to understand the ressource management and "the > workload involved in providing the services", i would need to see a > table showing us the number of ressources (AS, /19V4,...,/32V6) and > TotalScoring per Billing categories. > > Would anybody from RIPE able to summarize and show such a table on the > list ? The table you can find the table of the total billing scores for 2009 in the billing procedure see: http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/procedure-lir.html <snip> The billing scores for members are determined after the RIPE NCC General Meeting in October, (based on data of 30 September). The billing categories for 2009 are: LIR Billing Category, Maximum Score EXTRA SMALL, 27 SMALL, 150 MEDIUM, 1,233 LARGE, 8,047 EXTRA LARGE, 282,403 <snip> Also you can find a more detailed explanation about the billing score calculation at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/calculation.html Kind regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [LIR] Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Andrea Cima 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Gabriella, The approved policy "Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC" states: "This fourth version also argues that the proposal covers all End Users of provider independent number resources previously assigned either directly by the RIPE NCC or through a RIPE NCC Local Internet Registry. This proposal does not cover number resources marked in the RIPE Database as Early Registration (ERX) or NOT-SET. It also does not cover number resources listed in the RIPE Database which were assigned by InterNIC or assigned or allocated by other Regional Internet Registries." http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html For this reason Early Registration (ERX) Internet number resources are not covered by this policy implementation. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Andrea Cima RIPE NCC Gabriella Paolini wrote: > Dear Andrea, dear all, > maybe I missed something in the discussion. > I don't see any reference to Early Registration Transfer project objects. > Are PIs that were involved in ERX considered "orphaned" by default? > Or there is a place (they are not in LIR Portal resources) where I can > say "this is one of My End User" ? > Perhaps this should be a common problem for "old" LIR. > > Kind regards, > Gabriella Paolini > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [LIR] Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC > Charging Scheme 2010 > From: Andrea Cima <andrea(a)ripe.net> > To: Hank Nussbacher <hank(a)efes.iucc.ac.il> > CC: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Date: Giovedì 16 Luglio 2009 14.27.43 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> Dear Hank, >> >> ... >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpfQ80ACgkQXOgsmPkFrjOj+wCggqiZqKSWBnCJcqAkYVVNsdiw dQoAoL9rxQDML9fpqDhrST1bqRnY+rA0 =EqLL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Andrea Cima 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Ziv, You are correct. End Users of "orphaned" Internet number resources will have the choice to either sign a contract with a sponsoring LIR or with the RIPE NCC. However, "Contractual Requirements for Provider Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region" states: "The preferred model of the RIPE community is for End Users to have a contractual relationship with a sponsoring LIR instead of directly with the RIPE NCC." End Users signing a contract with the RIPE NCC will be charged a one-time Administration fee and an annual Maintenance fee as according to: http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/procedure-enduser.html With regards to AS numbers and other Internet number resources assigned to organisations in the AfriNIC service region, those have been transferred or are in the process of being transferred to AfriNIC. They do not fall under the policy implementation "Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC". For more information, please see: http://ripe.net/projects/erx/transferred.html I hope this clarifies. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Andrea Cima RIPE NCC Ziv Leyes wrote: > Thanks Hank for the question, I was about to ask the same and thanks Andrea for the answers. > I want to make sure I understood, the "orphaned" resources, such as ASNUM for instance, will be able to contact and sign a contract directly with RIPE? > If yes, then why will any of them opt to sign with a LIR if they can be fully independent and work directly with RIPE? > What happens with some ASNUMs that are nowadays belonging to the Afrinic geographical zone? Is it possible to "transfer" an ASNUM resource from RIPE to Afrinic or any other? > Thanks, > Ziv > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss-admin(a)ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Cima > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:28 PM > To: Hank Nussbacher > Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010 > > > Dear Hank, > > The main focus points of Phase 2 of this policy implementation are to > ensure there is a contract in place between End Users and their > sponsoring LIR, and allowing LIRs to exclude from their 2010 billing fee > independent Internet number resources linked to End Users that are not > customers of the LIR. > > As you mention, resources of End Users who do not have a contract in > place with an LIR or with the RIPE NCC by 31 December 2009 will be > considered "orphaned". > > The RIPE NCC will start contacting the End Users of those independent > Internet number resources in 2010 (Phase 3 of the policy > implementation), asking them to sign a contract either with a sponsoring > LIR or with the RIPE NCC. The exact timeline will depend on the number > of "orphaned" resources. We are currently preparing different scenarios > based on current statistics. > > A procedure for "orphaned" End User resources with regards to timelines > and (de-)registration details will be published in advance. > > If you have any further feedback or questions, please don't hesitate to > contact me. > > Kind regards, > > Andrea Cima > RIPE NCC > > > Hank Nussbacher wrote: >> At 16:05 13/07/2009 +0200, Axel Pawlik wrote: > >> Can someone point me to the docs in regards to what happens to resources >> a LIR marks as "not my customer"? According to >> http://www.ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html on Dec 31, 2009 RIPE >> will consider those resources as orphans and contact the end users. >> What happens then? How long does the end user have to sign on with >> RIPE? At what point will RIPE revoke the allocations? Is there a doc >> on that entire procedure and timeline we can give customers? > >> Regards, >> Hank > > >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> The RIPE NCC has formulated a Draft Charging Scheme 2010 that will >>> take into account the requirements of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct >>> Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", and the >>> discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May >>> 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. >>> >>> The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at: >>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html >>> >>> Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can >>> take place at <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>. >>> >>> The RIPE NCC Executive Board will monitor discussion and input from >>> the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a final version of the Draft >>> Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The RIPE NCC membership will >>> vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General Meeting on 7 October 2009. >>> >>> The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme >>> 2010 is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers >>> on tax and legal issues. >>> >>> For more information, please see the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 FAQs: >>> http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/membership/charging-scheme.html >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Axel Pawlik >>> Managing Director >>> RIPE NCC >> ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members >> Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: >> http://lirportal.ripe.net/ >> First click on General and then click on Edit. >> At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. > - ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. 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Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Andrea Cima 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Hank, The main focus points of Phase 2 of this policy implementation are to ensure there is a contract in place between End Users and their sponsoring LIR, and allowing LIRs to exclude from their 2010 billing fee independent Internet number resources linked to End Users that are not customers of the LIR. As you mention, resources of End Users who do not have a contract in place with an LIR or with the RIPE NCC by 31 December 2009 will be considered "orphaned". The RIPE NCC will start contacting the End Users of those independent Internet number resources in 2010 (Phase 3 of the policy implementation), asking them to sign a contract either with a sponsoring LIR or with the RIPE NCC. The exact timeline will depend on the number of "orphaned" resources. We are currently preparing different scenarios based on current statistics. A procedure for "orphaned" End User resources with regards to timelines and (de-)registration details will be published in advance. If you have any further feedback or questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Andrea Cima RIPE NCC Hank Nussbacher wrote: > At 16:05 13/07/2009 +0200, Axel Pawlik wrote: > > Can someone point me to the docs in regards to what happens to resources > a LIR marks as "not my customer"? According to > http://www.ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html on Dec 31, 2009 RIPE > will consider those resources as orphans and contact the end users. > What happens then? How long does the end user have to sign on with > RIPE? At what point will RIPE revoke the allocations? Is there a doc > on that entire procedure and timeline we can give customers? > > Regards, > Hank > > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> The RIPE NCC has formulated a Draft Charging Scheme 2010 that will >> take into account the requirements of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct >> Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", and the >> discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May >> 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. >> >> The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at: >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html >> >> Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can >> take place at <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>. >> >> The RIPE NCC Executive Board will monitor discussion and input from >> the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a final version of the Draft >> Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The RIPE NCC membership will >> vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General Meeting on 7 October 2009. >> >> The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme >> 2010 is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers >> on tax and legal issues. >> >> For more information, please see the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 FAQs: >> http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/membership/charging-scheme.html >> >> Best regards, >> >> Axel Pawlik >> Managing Director >> RIPE NCC > > ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members > Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: > http://lirportal.ripe.net/ > First click on General and then click on Edit. > At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpfHL8ACgkQXOgsmPkFrjOkCgCdE7T0oFLIMuV9fE9z/4AGV6Wb vaEAn1XrDkm21ux158yPV6sUheQRuF4g =30Hi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses.

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Anycasting Assignments for TLDs and Tier 0/1 ENUM Implemented
by Scott Donald 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce that the RIPE NCC has implemented the accepted policy proposal 2008-05, "Anycasting Assignments for TLDs and Tier 0/1 ENUM". This allows Tier 0/1 ENUM operators to receive IPv4 and IPv6 anycasting assignments and increases the number of anycasting prefixes that can be assigned to an operator from one to a maximum of four assignments. The request form and supporting notes are available from the RIPE Document Store at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/requestforms.html If you have any questions, please contact <ncc(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Scott Donald Registration Services, RIPE NCC

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IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey Closed
by Paul Rendek 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, The IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey, conducted by TNO and GNKS Consult in cooperation with the RIPE NCC and sponsored by the European Commission, has now closed. More than 600 members of the RIPE community responded to the survey, which aims to collect data on the current and future use of IPv6 throughout the RIPE NCC service region. We wish to thank those from the community who took the time to complete the survey. The results of the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey will be presented and discussed at RIPE 59 which takes place in Lisbon, Portugal from 5-9 October. More information and registration details are available at: http://ripe59.ripe.net/ The results of this survey will also be published on IPv6 Act Now website at: http://www.ipv6actnow.org If you have any questions about the survey or the results, please contact <ncc(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Axel Pawlik 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC has formulated a Draft Charging Scheme 2010 that will take into account the requirements of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", and the discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can take place at <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>. The RIPE NCC Executive Board will monitor discussion and input from the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a final version of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The RIPE NCC membership will vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General Meeting on 7 October 2009. The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers on tax and legal issues. For more information, please see the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 FAQs: http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/membership/charging-scheme.html Best regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC

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