Speak about the fee is losing the time. RIPE is a foundation, with non profit, but now, when the IPv4 is full and there are a global economic problem, RIPE impose the fee with an increase. And I don´t like speak about the general meetings to deal the new charge scheme because in my enterprise, with only one /26 IPv4, we can´t pay the cost to go to the general meeting (travel, salary) and I and imagine that there are more like us so only the big enterprise can assist, negotiate and vote (although we can use the internet vote). They are the lobby that will have benefit over the small enterprise that will have problems to continue with the IP/Internet business and it will increase their clients. In resume, I can't understand why a foundation increase its expenses year over year. It´s an opinion, and after all, a modest opinion. Saludos... =========================================== Luis Ángel Lozano Aparicio Comunicaciones y Seguridad Grupo Acotel e-mail: comunicaciones@acotelsa.com ------------------------------------------ Tlf: 983 440274 - 902 194273 Fax:983 548220 Oficina 201 - Edificio Galileo, módulo Rojo Parque Tecnológico de Boecillo 47151 Boecillo (Valladolid) - España =========================================== -----Mensaje original----- De: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de poty@iiat.ru Enviado el: miércoles, 14 de diciembre de 2011 10:55 Para: h.lu@outsideheaven.com; paolo.difrancesco@level7.it CC: members-discuss@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Lu Heng Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:41 AM To: paolo.difrancesco@level7.it Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees

Well, if the new 2012 charging scheme was processed, then it will be based on amount of resource we are using. The 2012 had several bad and quite unfair flaws in many sides of its preparing procedure, its structure and the undercarpet considerations - that is why it didn't see support.

if IP's price goes up, it not only benefits the new comer who got the IP but also the old ones who already had the IP. If everybody is holding something has same value, why one party should be paying more while another should be paying less. It's not so easy. I think you do not understand the scheme correctly. "old" LIRs if they want to get a block would be counted in the same way as newcomers for the block, so the fairness of getting addresses is better in the scheme. On the other hand - if the minimal block in "old" times was /16 and the then-new LIR got it and it is still enough or even not used even close to fully - it's unfair to punish the LIR. Many best practices at the time was not so flexible as now - and it led to "waste" in modern point of view, but it's very difficult to change the assignments now (initial criteria is still met) - why the LIR should suffer?

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