Non paid sponsor LIR contracts and client escape to another sponsor
Dear Members, Case: You receive a request to change the sponsor LIR on independent client resources that you maintain by the Sponsor LIR contract. You check, that your client has not paid for the LIR contract. You answer to RIPE NCC, that you will agree to the change, but when the client will pay off the debt. RIPE NCC replies that: a) he does not care that the client has not paid for the contract, b) forcibly performs the transfer without the consent of the current sponsor LIR. As a result, the LIR sponsor is left with a debt, the collection possibilities of which are drastically reduced. For comparison: if you do not pay your annual invoice to RIPE NCC, the LIR SSA will be terminated and the resources deregistered. With no discussion. Does RIPE NCC allow non-paying End Users to migrate with impunity between Sponsor-LIR's? In this way, the customer can freely never pay anyone for the Sponsor-LIR contract. Best regards, -- pl.ip4isp Tomasz Śląski
Hi Tomasz, The RIPE NCC does indeed have "force transfer" procedures in place. This is helpful for example when a previous LIR is non-responsive. The NCC is not a party to the sponsorship agreement, and the collection of any debts arising from them is the LIR's responsibility. Many LIRs will only provide services after payment is received. Matthias Merkel On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:51 PM REG ID: pl.ip4isp <lir@skonet.pl> wrote:
Dear Members,
Case: You receive a request to change the sponsor LIR on independent client resources that you maintain by the Sponsor LIR contract. You check, that your client has not paid for the LIR contract.
You answer to RIPE NCC, that you will agree to the change, but when the client will pay off the debt. RIPE NCC replies that: a) he does not care that the client has not paid for the contract, b) forcibly performs the transfer without the consent of the current sponsor LIR.
As a result, the LIR sponsor is left with a debt, the collection possibilities of which are drastically reduced.
For comparison: if you do not pay your annual invoice to RIPE NCC, the LIR SSA will be terminated and the resources deregistered. With no discussion.
Does RIPE NCC allow non-paying End Users to migrate with impunity between Sponsor-LIR's? In this way, the customer can freely never pay anyone for the Sponsor-LIR contract.
Best regards,
-- pl.ip4isp Tomasz Śląski
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Hi Tomasz, RIPE-637 sets the obligation for the End User to pay an annual fee to the LIR for the resources. The LIR isn't obliged to do anything with PI resources (i.e. confirm the sponsorship) without a payment. Why don't you collect the payment upfront? -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
On 26. 10. 2022, at 22:14, REG ID: pl.ip4isp <lir@skonet.pl> wrote:
Dear Members,
Case: You receive a request to change the sponsor LIR on independent client resources that you maintain by the Sponsor LIR contract. You check, that your client has not paid for the LIR contract.
You answer to RIPE NCC, that you will agree to the change, but when the client will pay off the debt. RIPE NCC replies that: a) he does not care that the client has not paid for the contract, b) forcibly performs the transfer without the consent of the current sponsor LIR.
As a result, the LIR sponsor is left with a debt, the collection possibilities of which are drastically reduced.
For comparison: if you do not pay your annual invoice to RIPE NCC, the LIR SSA will be terminated and the resources deregistered. With no discussion.
Does RIPE NCC allow non-paying End Users to migrate with impunity between Sponsor-LIR's? In this way, the customer can freely never pay anyone for the Sponsor-LIR contract.
Best regards,
-- pl.ip4isp Tomasz Śląski
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Sergey Myasoedov