audit idea .... improve database quality
Hello, to add to my previous idea, to add the subscribed e-Mail address to the footer, I would suggest all LIRs, which obviously don’t know they are a LIR, and how to unsubscribe to be placed on the audit short list. When I was in an RIPE audit, I was shocked about the basic level of the questions asked, but now I know why. There must be hundreds of LIRs without any(more) personnel with a RIPE course. How can this LIRs deliver up to date WHOIS information, including abuse/cert/irt contact? This is no witch hunt, I can recommend to any LIR personell to take a RIPE NCC training course. This can explain the inner working of the RIPE NCC, the voting process, the database, and exactly why we have this mailing list. Additionally I assume none of this LIRs has any IPv6 plans. They might not even know there is a need for change. As their allocation is working for them (like internal LIRs in large cooperations). all the best Matthias
Am 17.02.2016 um 17:20 schrieb Matthias Šubik:
Hello, to add to my previous idea, to add the subscribed e-Mail address to the footer, I would suggest all LIRs, which obviously don’t know they are a LIR, and how to unsubscribe to be placed on the audit short list. When I was in an RIPE audit, I was shocked about the basic level of the questions asked, but now I know why.
+1 I, too, am surprised by the level of sophistication among the LIRs... it's like watching lemmings jump down a cliff.
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Am 17.02.2016 um 17:20 schrieb Matthias Šubik:
Hello, to add to my previous idea, to add the subscribed e-Mail address to the footer, I would suggest all LIRs, which obviously don’t know they are a LIR, and how to unsubscribe to be placed on the audit short list. When I was in an RIPE audit, I was shocked about the basic level of the questions asked, but now I know why.
+1
I, too, am surprised by the level of sophistication among the LIRs... it's like watching lemmings jump down a cliff.
+1
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On 17 Feb 2016, at 17:20, Matthias Šubik <matthias.subik@ucnd.at> wrote:
I would suggest all LIRs, which obviously don’t know they are a LIR, and how to unsubscribe to be placed on the audit short list.
I second this, maybe “excess lameness” should be considered as a good reason for dropping LIR status and deallocating any allocated resource, with specific reference to IPv4 address space. This would solve many problems ;) A.
Hello,
On 17.02.2016, at 22:56, Andrea Cocito <andrea.cocito@ifom.eu> wrote:
On 17 Feb 2016, at 17:20, Matthias Šubik <matthias.subik@ucnd.at> wrote:
I would suggest all LIRs, which obviously don’t know they are a LIR, and how to unsubscribe to be placed on the audit short list.
I second this, maybe “excess lameness” should be considered as a good reason for dropping LIR status and deallocating any allocated resource, with specific reference to IPv4 address space.
Had a good laugh on that one, but I would add bonus lameness brownie points for replying to any thread. But you can’t drop them. Next to lots of consulting firms two company names jumped out of the crowd, one is a large logistics brand, and another is a bank. I seriously think, that this LIRs got established a long time ago, and they are still using the original allocation, maybe without proper assignment in the DB. Maybe they got established by an external consultant when PI-Space was discontinued. So they are a LIR, they never used their IP address to the full extend (maybe one /24 for a handful of servers), and they have *no idea* about *IPv6*. So they need help. ASAP. That’s why they need an audit by RIPE NCC. I wonder if security is handled on the same *level* there. Matthias
Hello! Perfect idea. If nobody from Company know about RIPE Database this company should not have any IP subnets. On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Andrea Cocito <andrea.cocito@ifom.eu> wrote:
On 17 Feb 2016, at 17:20, Matthias Šubik <matthias.subik@ucnd.at> wrote:
I would suggest all LIRs, which obviously don’t know they are a LIR, and how to unsubscribe to be placed on the audit short list.
I second this, maybe “excess lameness” should be considered as a good reason for dropping LIR status and deallocating any allocated resource, with specific reference to IPv4 address space.
This would solve many problems ;)
A.
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-- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU
Hi Matthias, Please be reminded that RIPE NCC has, AFAIK, no authoritative power to enforce cutted-down assignments. therefore, unless a memeber is (how ?) destituted from its LIR status, there's no proper way to reclaim its (wasted ?) adressing space. Hence I see no reason to use the "audit menace", but let's consider it has authoritative powers, as it should, let's go for it. I really think we sould not enforce a rule-based policy here. We all have different networks and customer-base, no one should be constrained to universal rules because… well, everything depends on context… So let's be fair about destitution and reclaiming ressources : it only can be a community decision, like everything should, but only approved by this community's members whou already got their arses cleansed and approved, and only by the community itself. Suche process woudl take a great amount of time, to go through every stratum-1 clean-arses LIR, promptly asking to be thoroughly checked out (yeah, some of you might like that), to be allowed to give advices and notation to other members. Now, let's consider we're not even, and some of your competitors might have cleaner arses than you have. How would you react ? Would they express a fair judgment as peers and co-members ? Or sake you for beeing such a cunny opponent on their domestic market ? Yu'll never know where the blame came from, anyhow. So let's be realistic : we have no way to know for sure a LIR is doing its job well, sparing ressources and helping the community to welcome new inovative members. So please, spare us useless debate, and plesae focus on what's doable. What can we check, what should we condomne, as a community ? Best regards, -- Jérôme Nicolle +33 6 19 31 27 14
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