Yes, it is voted for, but what was the words preceding the vote? In the slides there were many "proves" that the current scheme is a catastrophe (which was a complete lie, because the current scheme didn't use the right factors in the presentation intentionally - after the presentation we discussed the matter and many RIPE NCC members agreed that) and if we didn't vote for new scheme the world would die completely. :) I know also that there was big lobby in the GM. As soon as there was voting - nothing could be done against it, but many people know - the intention of the decision was bad! Regards, Vladislav Potapov
-----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:38 PM To: Potapov Vladislav Cc: gert@space.net; bangert@parknet.dk; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 06:32:00PM +0400, poty@iiat.ru wrote:
It IS true. Several people can prove that. The answer of the RIPE NCC was - it is already late to change something. The presentation was forged - and personally you knew that.
I was there, and the change of the charging scheme was discussed for *three* consecutive meetings, and it was voted for, and received the majority of votes.
The change to per-piece billing for PI and AS is came with the adoption of 2007-01 and had nothing to do whatsoever with increasing the budget (which it didn't, the LIR categories and fees were adjusted to make this neutral in regards to the overall budget).
Of course there are people that do not like any change that will directly affect their business model (getting lots of PI for free and selling for money) - and this is why the change was announced well in advance, and voted for(!).
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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It´s possible not receive any mail from RIPPE ?? It´s a very fucky spam !!! Thanks -----Mensaje original----- De: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de poty@iiat.ru Enviado el: martes, 11 de octubre de 2011 16:49 Para: gert@space.net CC: bangert@parknet.dk; members-discuss@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012 Yes, it is voted for, but what was the words preceding the vote? In the slides there were many "proves" that the current scheme is a catastrophe (which was a complete lie, because the current scheme didn't use the right factors in the presentation intentionally - after the presentation we discussed the matter and many RIPE NCC members agreed that) and if we didn't vote for new scheme the world would die completely. :) I know also that there was big lobby in the GM. As soon as there was voting - nothing could be done against it, but many people know - the intention of the decision was bad! Regards, Vladislav Potapov
-----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:38 PM To: Potapov Vladislav Cc: gert@space.net; bangert@parknet.dk; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 06:32:00PM +0400, poty@iiat.ru wrote:
It IS true. Several people can prove that. The answer of the RIPE NCC was - it is already late to change something. The presentation was forged - and personally you knew that.
I was there, and the change of the charging scheme was discussed for *three* consecutive meetings, and it was voted for, and received the majority of votes.
The change to per-piece billing for PI and AS is came with the adoption of 2007-01 and had nothing to do whatsoever with increasing the budget (which it didn't, the LIR categories and fees were adjusted to make this neutral in regards to the overall budget).
Of course there are people that do not like any change that will directly affect their business model (getting lots of PI for free and selling for money) - and this is why the change was announced well in advance, and voted for(!).
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner- Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Xavier Llongueras wrote: Look at your email headers. You have one of 2 methods to get unsubscribed: List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss>, <mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe> Regards, Hank
It´s possible not receive any mail from RIPPE ?? It´s a very fucky spam !!! Thanks
-----Mensaje original----- De: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de poty@iiat.ru Enviado el: martes, 11 de octubre de 2011 16:49 Para: gert@space.net CC: bangert@parknet.dk; members-discuss@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
Yes, it is voted for, but what was the words preceding the vote? In the slides there were many "proves" that the current scheme is a catastrophe (which was a complete lie, because the current scheme didn't use the right factors in the presentation intentionally - after the presentation we discussed the matter and many RIPE NCC members agreed that) and if we didn't vote for new scheme the world would die completely. :) I know also that there was big lobby in the GM. As soon as there was voting - nothing could be done against it, but many people know - the intention of the decision was bad!
Regards, Vladislav Potapov
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Xavier Llongueras