Re: [members-discuss] why is it proving impossible to gain IP sapce
Google: chinese olympics ipv6
google UK olympics ipv6
Happened in 2008 nuff said
not happening in 2012, really lame (not just BBC site)
Every large site today being served by load balancers today can turn on ipv6
I know, we can, I had it running for v6 day. If we'd started a year ago it could have been in the plan for this June but Vint said 2013 and no other announcements were made until Jan. Too late, ops had already decided making it production wasn't high enough up their list until of stuff that really must work for the Olympics. Tough, would have been good to do. brandon
Hi, Can supportcat@softcat.com please be removed from this e-mail chain. Thanks, Philip Reeve Network Operations Centre Analyst Softcat Ltd | Thames Ind. Est. | Fieldhouse Lane | Marlow | BUCKS | SL7 1TB Response Tel: 01628 403 789 | Website -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Brandon Butterworth Sent: 16 February 2012 16:25 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; noc@solido.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] why is it proving impossible to gain IP sapce
Google: chinese olympics ipv6
google UK olympics ipv6
Happened in 2008 nuff said
not happening in 2012, really lame (not just BBC site)
Every large site today being served by load balancers today can turn on ipv6
I know, we can, I had it running for v6 day. If we'd started a year ago it could have been in the plan for this June but Vint said 2013 and no other announcements were made until Jan. Too late, ops had already decided making it production wasn't high enough up their list until of stuff that really must work for the Olympics. Tough, would have been good to do. brandon ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ============================== This message is intended solely for the use of the individual or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not use, copy, alter, or disclose the contents of this message. All information or opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and are not necessarily those of Softcat Ltd or its affiliates. Softcat Ltd accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from its use, including damage from virus. Softcat Ltd. Thames Industrial Estate, Fieldhouse Lane, Marlow, Bucks, SL7 1TB. Tel: 01628 403 403, Company Reg No: 2174990, VAT No. 491 8485 03.
Hi,
Can supportcat@softcat.com please be removed from this e-mail chain.
Well, you describe yourself as:
Network Operations Centre Analyst
Right? Then earn your wages. I will give you a hint, two actually: It's up to you to be excluded from this mailing list. -- Alfredo Sola ASP5-RIPE http://www.solucionesdinamicas.net/
Network Operations Centre Analyst
Right? Then earn your wages. I will give you a hint, two actually: It's up to you to be excluded from this mailing list.
Slightly scary that there are still companies out there providing NOC/etc support, selling to large organisations, who don't notice things like:
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Back to the IPv4/IPv6 issue at hand, however, my cynical belief is that if RIPE LIRs were charged membership fees proportional to their IPv4 consumption then the massive national telcos will hand back a large amount of v4 space and NAT444 everyone. Because they're going to have to do that anyway at the rate some of them are implementing v6 — this would just be further incentive ;) /sarcasm mode now deactivated Marek Isalski Hostmaster, AS41495
Back to the IPv4/IPv6 issue at hand, however, my cynical belief is that if RIPE LIRs were charged membership fees proportional to their IPv4 consumption then the massive national telcos will hand back a large amount of v4 space and NAT444 everyone. Because they're going to have to do that anyway at the rate some of them are implementing v6 — this would just be further incentive ;)
at the rate some of them are implementing ipv6, at one point, they'll figure out they are the only thing left on ipv4 and don't have any content of their own, apart from their own lame website that tries to sell ppl an iphone :P
/sarcasm mode now deactivated
Marek Isalski Hostmaster, AS41495
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ofcourse every access provider could ditch ipv4 -right now- with the following mechanism: 1: take a /96 of your own ipv6 space 2: translate this 1:1 to the entire ipv4 address space (dos boxes with packet driver and some assembly/c code, modified linux kernel, programmable logic arrays in a hardware implementation, whatever) (ask any dude with experience in kernel/assembly programming in your company to code that stuff, its not that hard, normal LACP/803ad over 8 or so of these "bridges/translators" should spread the load just fine if it needs to be more than 1 or 10ge in one go ;) (as the mtu of ipv6 is 1280, ofcourse the tcpmss should be adjusted and DF cleared incoming and outgoing on the ipv4 end ;) 3: code a dns resolver that translates the A requests into AAAA answers (and passes on the AAAA requests unmodified to a normal one ;) 4: ??? 5: profit! only thing that won't work are protocols that don't support ipv6 because they are a seperate program that didn't implement it yet. so if you REALLY cannot get ipv4 anymore and need space for your customers and still want to give them the full internet, this is the way to go ;) if you're going to NAT them anyway, you might as well NAT them from ipv6 to the old ipv4 stuff (instead of ipv4->ipv4 ;) i don't see any out of the box solutions on the market, specificially for the "dns part" tho. for content providers, indeed, the loadbalancers should be able to deal with the "gatewaying" part just fine, nothing to change there on the actual servers. it's not exactly rocket science ppl, get on with it. -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle http://www.facebook.com/cb3rob ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
Google: chinese olympics ipv6
google UK olympics ipv6
Happened in 2008 nuff said
not happening in 2012, really lame (not just BBC site)
Every large site today being served by load balancers today can turn on ipv6
I know, we can, I had it running for v6 day. If we'd started a year ago it could have been in the plan for this June but Vint said 2013 and no other announcements were made until Jan. Too late, ops had already decided making it production wasn't high enough up their list until of stuff that really must work for the Olympics.
Tough, would have been good to do.
brandon
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Hi, (increasingly off-topic, this really should go to one of the ipv6-ops lists - recommending http://lists.cluenet.de/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-ops) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 04:49:07PM +0000, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
ofcourse every access provider could ditch ipv4 -right now- with the following mechanism:
1: take a /96 of your own ipv6 space
2: translate this 1:1 to the entire ipv4 address space (dos boxes with packet driver and some assembly/c code, modified linux kernel, programmable logic arrays in a hardware implementation, whatever)
Existing NAT64+DNS64 implementations. Just install and off you go :-)
4: ???
5: profit!
6: fail, because you get too many hotline calls that "skype does not work!", and large-scale telcos really need to avoid generating hotline calls
i don't see any out of the box solutions on the market, specificially for the "dns part" tho.
One DNS64 implementation comes as part of BIND9.
it's not exactly rocket science ppl, get on with it.
To the contrary. Rockets were built in the 1960s... IPv6 is nearly as old now, so "IPv6 = rocket science = technology from the last century". That's one of the amazing parts :-) - the other one is how much energy is invested into *not* deploying IPv6. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Sven Olaf Kamphuis