Re: [members-discuss] is the self-assessment model really a good idea?
Am 10.07.2012 um 15:18 schrieb "Rob Golding" <rob.golding@othellotech.net>:
Perhaps a better approach would be to push for the overall budget to be reduced by 10% per year _every-year_, helping the RIR focus on what it's there for, and all the extraneous items that we fund as RIPE members can start to die off ?
+1 in principle. Exact percentage should be assessed empirically. regards sebastian
I suspect a lot of activities/resources will die off when the NCC stock of IPV4 addresses gets exhausted. RIPE won't be involved or will be needed to approve transfer/sales of IPV4 between LIR's. Most LIR's will have /32 of IPV6 so they won't need to talk to the LIR again unless in the unlikely event they issue a /48 or more to a customer... Please disagree if I'd got this wrong. Mark -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sebastian Abt Sent: 10 July 2012 16:24 To: rob.golding@othellotech.net Cc: <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] is the self-assessment model really a good idea? Am 10.07.2012 um 15:18 schrieb "Rob Golding" <rob.golding@othellotech.net>:
Perhaps a better approach would be to push for the overall budget to be reduced by 10% per year _every-year_, helping the RIR focus on what it's there for, and all the extraneous items that we fund as RIPE members can start to die off ?
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Hi, On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:40:08PM +0000, Mark Jones (MK) wrote:
I suspect a lot of activities/resources will die off when the NCC stock of IPV4 addresses gets exhausted. RIPE won't be involved or will be needed to approve transfer/sales of IPV4 between LIR's. Most LIR's will have /32 of IPV6 so they won't need to talk to the LIR again unless in the unlikely event they issue a /48 or more to a customer...
"More than a /48", to be specific. A single /48 per end-site is ok without asking the RIPE NCC for approval. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
I stand corrected. I suspect RIPE NCC won't get that many requests for approving an assignments more than an /48... -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Gert Doering Sent: 11 July 2012 19:32 To: Mark Jones (MK) Cc: Sebastian Abt; rob.golding@othellotech.net; <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] is the self-assessment model really a good idea? Hi, On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:40:08PM +0000, Mark Jones (MK) wrote:
I suspect a lot of activities/resources will die off when the NCC stock of IPV4 addresses gets exhausted. RIPE won't be involved or will be needed to approve transfer/sales of IPV4 between LIR's. Most LIR's will have /32 of IPV6 so they won't need to talk to the LIR again unless in the unlikely event they issue a /48 or more to a customer...
"More than a /48", to be specific. A single /48 per end-site is ok without asking the RIPE NCC for approval. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ############################################################################## This communication together with any attachments transmitted with it ("this E-Mail") is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this E-Mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this E-Mail is strictly prohibited. Addressees should check this E-mail for viruses. The Company makes no representations as regards the absence of viruses in this E-Mail. If you have received this E-Mail in error please notify our IT Service Desk immediately by e-mail at abuse.ttb@talktalkplc.com Please then immediately delete, erase or otherwise destroy this E-Mail and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this E-Mail are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company. Nothing in this E-Mail shall bind the Company in any contract or obligation. For the purposes of this E-Mail "the Company" means TalkTalk Telecom Group PLC and/or any of its subsidiaries. Please feel free to visit our website: www.talktalkgroup.com TalkTalk Telecom Group Plc (Registered in England & Wales No. 7105891) 11 Evesham Street, London W11 4AR ##############################################################################
Self assessment sounds good if it means we can actually gain any resource from RIPE? , we pay the money, we ask for the resource.. They ask for current utilisation data, we tell then that we are using 2200 out of our 2048 addresses (yes we are having to rent space..) as we are an internet access provider, I.e. we don't sell/rent IP space, we use it for our end customers. But they still insist we cannot have any without providing detailed information we cannot provide as it doesn't exist. If we could self assess then we would question our contribution to RIPE given that all they have done work wise so far for us is give us an initial allocation of /21 , 2-3 years ago and we as an LIR are having to rent another LIR's IP space which is a bizarre and stupid situation. If giving up the IP6 block we currently cannot use resolves this then by all means RIPE, take it! . The vendors of our equipment do not as yet have workable/ production IP6 support in their software. what do we need to do to get a measly second /21 before it all runs out please? -- Bill Lewis Kijoma Broadband Super Fast Wireless Broadband ISP Members of the Internet Service Providers association (www.ISPA.org.uk) http://www.kijoma.net
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