Response from Board on Charging Scheme Comments
Dear members, We are continuing to follow the discussions closely. For some of the points raised, I want to share our reasoning for not proposing a category model this year. Last year, after extensive community consultation, we proposed a model with 10 categories based on resource holdership. If this proposal had been accepted, 67.69% of members would have paid less - EUR 1,350 or less. Only 34.9% voted for this model. Based on this feedback from the members, and given there are so many different opinions and proposals on how to charge in different ways, we did not want to propose another category-based model at this time. But we do not rule it out for the future. We have proposed a BoF at RIPE 88 to discuss how to build a stable future for the RIPE NCC, including a sustainable charging model. We also do not want to cut services that support the RIPE NCC’s current five-year strategy. We have committed to this strategy until 2026, and we think it is important that we see it out. We have already cut costs by EUR 2.7 million in 2023 compared to the budget and EUR 1.8 million in our 2024 budget compared to the 2023 budget. We are committed to ensuring that the RIPE NCC remains focused on reducing costs wherever possible. However, we do need to cater to the increased costs that the RIPE NCC faces due to inflation. In addition to the increasing costs, we still have significant uncertainty on our income from Ultra-High-Risk-Countries. For the 2024 income, we expect an amount of 1.1 million EUR to be uncollectible due to restrictions from our banks. Looking at 2023, this part amounts to 1.2 million. This underlines the complexity of our service region and the reality we have to deal with. We would also like to repeat that the proposed models guarantee adequate funding for 2025 and 2026. Under this proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase for 2026. We do want to work with the membership after this GM to discuss how best to reach consensus on a model that members feel is fair and sustainable for the future. We do however believe this is part of a broader discussion in building a stable future for the RIPE NCC and would like to encourage you to read the RIPE Labs Article by Executive Board Member Remco van Mook and engage in the upcoming discussion: https://labs.ripe.net/author/remco-van-mook/building-a-stable-future-for-the... Kind regards, Ondřej Filip Chair, RIPE NCC Executive Board
Dear Ondřej Filip, Lack of communication is a bad thing. In my personal opinion, I do not think that the economic and geopolitical situations of the countries in the region are well observed. General targets are mentioned every time we raise them. Please evaluate Turkey's situation and the situation of the members here well. /24 membership was imposed for their demands and artificial growth was experienced. You knew that the memberships would be merged at the end of the mandatory period. Despite knowing this, you said that revenues decreased. As long as Ripe does not receive fair wages from big companies with a lot of resources, members like us will continue to suffer. If sustainability is desired, action must be taken urgently on the following issues. 1. Increasing cost every year 2. Unfair distribution and disproportionate pricing 3. Inadequate language support 4. Monolingual education and documents/exams 5. Imposing behaviour 6. Misuse of funds 7. In case of war with Ukraine, the whole burden will be on Ripe. In Turkey, Ripe members suffer from the economic crisis, high inflation and the earthquake. Despite this, the earthquake in Turkey was ignored. A large area of Germany was affected by the 1st degree earthquake. We could not see any work on this. Kind Regards, Zekeriya Köş Managing Partner Phone:+90 850 840 6452 Direct: +90 542 790 6502 kos.zekeriya@survivor.com.tr SURVIVOR Bilişim Teknolojileri Anonim Şirketi http://www.survivor.com.tr -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Ondrej Filip Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 4:27 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Response from Board on Charging Scheme Comments Dear members, We are continuing to follow the discussions closely. For some of the points raised, I want to share our reasoning for not proposing a category model this year. Last year, after extensive community consultation, we proposed a model with 10 categories based on resource holdership. If this proposal had been accepted, 67.69% of members would have paid less - EUR 1,350 or less. Only 34.9% voted for this model. Based on this feedback from the members, and given there are so many different opinions and proposals on how to charge in different ways, we did not want to propose another category-based model at this time. But we do not rule it out for the future. We have proposed a BoF at RIPE 88 to discuss how to build a stable future for the RIPE NCC, including a sustainable charging model. We also do not want to cut services that support the RIPE NCC’s current five-year strategy. We have committed to this strategy until 2026, and we think it is important that we see it out. We have already cut costs by EUR 2.7 million in 2023 compared to the budget and EUR 1.8 million in our 2024 budget compared to the 2023 budget. We are committed to ensuring that the RIPE NCC remains focused on reducing costs wherever possible. However, we do need to cater to the increased costs that the RIPE NCC faces due to inflation. In addition to the increasing costs, we still have significant uncertainty on our income from Ultra-High-Risk-Countries. For the 2024 income, we expect an amount of 1.1 million EUR to be uncollectible due to restrictions from our banks. Looking at 2023, this part amounts to 1.2 million. This underlines the complexity of our service region and the reality we have to deal with. We would also like to repeat that the proposed models guarantee adequate funding for 2025 and 2026. Under this proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase for 2026. We do want to work with the membership after this GM to discuss how best to reach consensus on a model that members feel is fair and sustainable for the future. We do however believe this is part of a broader discussion in building a stable future for the RIPE NCC and would like to encourage you to read the RIPE Labs Article by Executive Board Member Remco van Mook and engage in the upcoming discussion: https://labs.ripe.net/author/remco-van-mook/building-a-stable-future-for-the... Kind regards, Ondřej Filip Chair, RIPE NCC Executive Board _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40survivor.com.t...
Dear Ondřej Filip, Thank you for your update, I appreciate the continued transparency and the opportunity to engage in this important discussion. I understand the reasoning behind not proposing another category-based model at this time. However, there's room for further exploration of this concept, considering the potential benefits for a majority of members. While the previous proposal wasn't accepted, could elements of it be used as a foundation for a revised model that addresses member concerns? Perhaps a smaller number of categories or adjustments to fee levels could lead to broader support. Are there other options beyond category-based fees and the current system to explore? Could a tiered membership structure or usage-based fees be explored to create a fairer system for all members? Best Regards, Arash Naderpour On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 23:26, Ondřej Filip <exec-board-announce@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear members,
We are continuing to follow the discussions closely. For some of the points raised, I want to share our reasoning for not proposing a category model this year.
Last year, after extensive community consultation, we proposed a model with 10 categories based on resource holdership.
If this proposal had been accepted, 67.69% of members would have paid less - EUR 1,350 or less. Only 34.9% voted for this model. Based on this feedback from the members, and given there are so many different opinions and proposals on how to charge in different ways, we did not want to propose another category-based model at this time. But we do not rule it out for the future. We have proposed a BoF at RIPE 88 to discuss how to build a stable future for the RIPE NCC, including a sustainable charging model.
We also do not want to cut services that support the RIPE NCC’s current five-year strategy. We have committed to this strategy until 2026, and we think it is important that we see it out. We have already cut costs by EUR 2.7 million in 2023 compared to the budget and EUR 1.8 million in our 2024 budget compared to the 2023 budget. We are committed to ensuring that the RIPE NCC remains focused on reducing costs wherever possible. However, we do need to cater to the increased costs that the RIPE NCC faces due to inflation.
In addition to the increasing costs, we still have significant uncertainty on our income from Ultra-High-Risk-Countries. For the 2024 income, we expect an amount of 1.1 million EUR to be uncollectible due to restrictions from our banks. Looking at 2023, this part amounts to 1.2 million. This underlines the complexity of our service region and the reality we have to deal with.
We would also like to repeat that the proposed models guarantee adequate funding for 2025 and 2026. Under this proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase for 2026.
We do want to work with the membership after this GM to discuss how best to reach consensus on a model that members feel is fair and sustainable for the future. We do however believe this is part of a broader discussion in building a stable future for the RIPE NCC and would like to encourage you to read the RIPE Labs Article by Executive Board Member Remco van Mook and engage in the upcoming discussion:
https://labs.ripe.net/author/remco-van-mook/building-a-stable-future-for-the...
Kind regards,
Ondřej Filip Chair, RIPE NCC Executive Board
_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/arash_mpc%40parsun.co...
Dear Ondřej Filip, Sorry, but talking about only category model is incorrect. I wrote it many times, and a lot of LIRs agree with it. To move in the IPv6 we need flat model for Ipv4 resources payment! If somebody in Executive Board want again and again discuss only category model it will repeat last 2023 year discussion! Please start read and analyze, what was written in this discussion. Please, don't be closed for discussion on flat model too. For me category model is strongly looks like protection interests for some LIRs group!
Dear members,
We are continuing to follow the discussions closely. For some of the points raised, I want to share our reasoning for not proposing a category model this year.
Last year, after extensive community consultation, we proposed a model with 10 categories based on resource holdership.
If this proposal had been accepted, 67.69% of members would have paid less - EUR 1,350 or less. Only 34.9% voted for this model. Based on this feedback from the members, and given there are so many different opinions and proposals on how to charge in different ways, we did not want to propose another category-based model at this time. But we do not rule it out for the future. We have proposed a BoF at RIPE 88 to discuss how to build a stable future for the RIPE NCC, including a sustainable charging model.
We also do not want to cut services that support the RIPE NCC’s current five-year strategy. We have committed to this strategy until 2026, and we think it is important that we see it out. We have already cut costs by EUR 2.7 million in 2023 compared to the budget and EUR 1.8 million in our 2024 budget compared to the 2023 budget. We are committed to ensuring that the RIPE NCC remains focused on reducing costs wherever possible. However, we do need to cater to the increased costs that the RIPE NCC faces due to inflation.
In addition to the increasing costs, we still have significant uncertainty on our income from Ultra-High-Risk-Countries. For the 2024 income, we expect an amount of 1.1 million EUR to be uncollectible due to restrictions from our banks. Looking at 2023, this part amounts to 1.2 million. This underlines the complexity of our service region and the reality we have to deal with.
We would also like to repeat that the proposed models guarantee adequate funding for 2025 and 2026. Under this proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase for 2026.
We do want to work with the membership after this GM to discuss how best to reach consensus on a model that members feel is fair and sustainable for the future. We do however believe this is part of a broader discussion in building a stable future for the RIPE NCC and would like to encourage you to read the RIPE Labs Article by Executive Board Member Remco van Mook and engage in the upcoming discussion:
https://labs.ripe.net/author/remco-van-mook/building-a-stable-future-for-the...
Kind regards,
Ondřej Filip Chair, RIPE NCC Executive Board
_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/sdy%40a-n-t.ru
----------------------------- С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком" +7(498)785-8-000 раб. +7(495)940-92-11 доп. +7(925)518-10-69 сот.
participants (4)
-
Arash Naderpour -
info＠survivor.com.tr -
Ondřej Filip -
sdy＠a-n-t.ru