Complication was further introduced by 2007-01 and we put off implementing this for an additional year under the principle of least surprise.
If you need to charge to make people use it effectively just put it on our bill like everything else. Having to faff with clients signing contracts was surprise and not wanted, trying to make clients become LIR/direct RIPE customers was not wanted.
We also have to work within the constraints of the Dutch tax system, which eliminates certain options, as we've seen. Finally we, the board, have a legal duty, affecting us personally (yes, that means they take my house away if the RIPE NCC gets into difficulty), to run the business of the RIPE NCC in a prudent and legal fashion.
Move it to UK and make a limited company then, that's a crazy risk to have to take on personally regards brandon ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
On 12/10/2011 16:52, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
If you need to charge to make people use it effectively just put it on our bill like everything else. Having to faff with clients signing contracts was surprise and not wanted, trying to make clients become LIR/direct RIPE customers was not wanted.
Agreed. However, that was what 2007-01 asked the RIPE NCC to do. So it was what the community wanted.
Move it to UK and make a limited company then, that's a crazy risk to have to take on personally
Even the directors of a UK limited company have personal financial liability under some circumstances. Of course in the commercial world there are rewards against which to balance the risk. Admittedly, the risk is small in the case of the RIPE NCC, but it is still there. All the board members do the job because we think the job is worth doing and the (non-financial) rewards exceed the risk. Nigel ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hi, On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 04:52:55PM +0100, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
Having to faff with clients signing contracts was surprise and not wanted, trying to make clients become LIR/direct RIPE customers was not wanted.
Well, the "contracts" bit came from the address policy working group, was discussed in great lengths there, and eventually reached consensus. The point about 2007-01 was that it was needed as a compromise to be able to come to an agreement about the IPv6 PI policy - without the contractual basis of 2007-01, we still wouldn't have IPv6 PI, and that would have impeded IPv6 deployment. Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
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