1. Newcomers need several special (and not so special, but more "manual") procedures for contract signing, teaching, allocating, assisting first assignments, a lot more supporting, "free entrance" to RIPE meeting ... I think it reasonably costs several cents more? 2. You are right about the membership fee, but every member was once a newcomer and since then pays every year the money, according the current charging scheme. Many of "current" LIRs have already contributed a lot to community (and RIPE NCC) not only by means of fees, but by ideas, solutions... 3. The rules of allocating "then" were different than "now". The "default" block was bigger and the procedures for the distribution of allocated space were not so strictly tough. Why we should punish the LIRs now to abide the rules and best practices? ... (it's only small number of arguments, and - yes - the matter was discussed several times already) Regards, Vladislav Potapov

-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Zubkov Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:50 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees

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W dniu 13.12.2011 20:23, LIR pisze:

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I am new to RIPE and list, and I did not see any conversation of

On 12/13/2011 11:32 PM, Michał Margula wrote: that kind.

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Anyway, I find this way of calculating is not fair at all, despite

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This model does not compute real usage of resources, but penalizes new entries and gives resources for free to old members.

Regards,

Tonino

I can't agree. W got our first resources about 5 years ago. First year we were "EXTRA SMALL", and then every year we are categorized "SMALL", altough we requested some more resources.

And does 500 euro per year really makes any difference? Really?? Let's count IPv4 - you got /21 which is 1024 addresess which makes 50 cents (per year! about 4 cents a month!!) difference.

And about fairness of that calculation - the later you get resources the more are they valuable, and they really are!

This is absolutely correct in case of one-time payment. But membership fee is regular and you are right - resources are valuable. And this should be applied to all members, not to newcomers only.

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