Hello, there is a proposal for RIPE NCC and Executive board. As there is a criticism of RIPE NCC Activity plan and voting at the GM for the whole plan, I would like to propose to split the Activity plan into several statements and vote for each item of the plan separately. The voting can be done by show of hands directly at the GM. Thank you. -- Kind regards, Sergey
Hi Sergey It's a nice idea but it can't be done for the current activity plan as we can't change the agenda or the motions of the GM at such short notice (the Articles don't allow it). I think we'd have to look very carefully at how we actually did this if we weren't to get an unusable mix of activities. I'd be much more inclined to go down this road if there was any evidence that the Membership pays a great deal of attention to the Activity plan. Normally we publish it on this list, ask for comments and get a deafening silence. We are certainly extremely open to publishing the costs of activities (or at least referring them back to a previous year budget line) and also emphasising if an activity is likely to use more or less resource in the coming year in order to encourage discussion. I'd be inclined to take this step first. Nigel On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 17:28 +0100, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Hello,
there is a proposal for RIPE NCC and Executive board.
As there is a criticism of RIPE NCC Activity plan and voting at the GM for the whole plan, I would like to propose to split the Activity plan into several statements and vote for each item of the plan separately. The voting can be done by show of hands directly at the GM.
Thank you.
-- Kind regards, Sergey
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Dear Nigel, as the voting results are published it reflects clearly the discussion through the new Chargig Scheme 2012. Voting Results b) The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2012. No 148 Yes 102 Abstain 11 Can you explain us and to the whole list what will be happen now as I guess it was the first time since we are a member that the GM don't adopt the Charging Scheme ?? thx a lot Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
Alexander, CS-2011 will be used for the next billing period. -- Kind regards, sergey myasoedov You wrote Monday, November 7, 2011, 11:16:30 AM:
Dear Nigel,
as the voting results are published it reflects clearly the discussion through the new Chargig Scheme 2012.
Voting Results b) The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2012. No 148 Yes 102 Abstain 11
Can you explain us and to the whole list what will be happen now as I guess it was the first time since we are a member that the GM don't adopt the Charging Scheme ??
thx a lot Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
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On 11/07/2011 11:16 AM, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
Dear Nigel,
as the voting results are published it reflects clearly the discussion through the new Chargig Scheme 2012.
Voting Results b) The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2012. No 148 Yes 102 Abstain 11
Can you explain us and to the whole list what will be happen now as I guess it was the first time since we are a member that the GM don't adopt the Charging Scheme ??
I believe this was mentioned in the meeting and they said that the previous Charging Scheme would now still be valid. -- Eirik Hjelle Blix Solutions AS - we care about your servers
On 07/11/2011 10:16, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
Can you explain us and to the whole list what will be happen now as I guess it was the first time since we are a member that the GM don't adopt the Charging Scheme ??
As was explained at the GM by Nigel, the charging scheme that currently exists would be used leading to an expected revenue shortfall J -- James Blessing +44 7989 039 476 Strategic Relations Manager, EMEA Limelight Networks
As was explained at the GM by Nigel, the charging scheme that currently exists would be used leading to an expected revenue shortfall
I think the figure mentioned was drawing ~€400k from the reserve. However, as I understood the meeting, the budget hasn't been finalised yet either, so there may still be some scope for reducing the draw on reserves. Cheers, Rob
Hi all, On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Rob Evans wrote:
As was explained at the GM by Nigel, the charging scheme that currently exists would be used leading to an expected revenue shortfall This is correct.
I think the figure mentioned was drawing ~€400k from the reserve. However, as I understood the meeting, the budget hasn't been finalised yet either, so there may still be some scope for reducing the draw on reserves. Both points are correct, thanks Rob for pointing them out.
Best regards, CK
Cheers, Rob
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At 10:25 07/11/2011 +0000, James Blessing wrote:
On 07/11/2011 10:16, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
Can you explain us and to the whole list what will be happen now as I guess it was the first time since we are a member that the GM don't adopt the Charging Scheme ??
As was explained at the GM by Nigel, the charging scheme that currently exists would be used leading to an expected revenue shortfall
In most businesses I know of, when there is an expected revenue shortfall, cuts are made - either in salary, amount of manpower or in projects. I hope RIPE NCC has contingency plans in place. Regards, Hank
J -- James Blessing +44 7989 039 476 Strategic Relations Manager, EMEA Limelight Networks
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Hi Hank: They will take money from reserve as I heard in the GM. It was like 4M(if I was not remember it wrong) shortage On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Hank Nussbacher <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il> wrote:
At 10:25 07/11/2011 +0000, James Blessing wrote:
On 07/11/2011 10:16, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
Can you explain us and to the whole list what will be happen now as I guess it was the first time since we are a member that the GM don't adopt the Charging Scheme ??
As was explained at the GM by Nigel, the charging scheme that currently exists would be used leading to an expected revenue shortfall
In most businesses I know of, when there is an expected revenue shortfall, cuts are made - either in salary, amount of manpower or in projects. I hope RIPE NCC has contingency plans in place.
Regards, Hank
J -- James Blessing +44 7989 039 476 Strategic Relations Manager, EMEA Limelight Networks
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On 07/11/2011 10:54, Lu Heng wrote:
Hi Hank: They will take money from reserve as I heard in the GM. It was like 4M(if I was not remember it wrong) shortage
400K... not 4M. Nigel
On 07/11/2011 10:52, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
In most businesses I know of, when there is an expected revenue shortfall, cuts are made - either in salary, amount of manpower or in projects. I hope RIPE NCC has contingency plans in place.
Or, rather than cutting services to members, we use some of our reserves. That is likely what will happen here, although we will obviously have a look at trimming budgets where that doesn't affect member services. The RIPE NCC isn't strictly speaking "like most businesses". Our membership have a great say in what we do through the activity plan, the draft of which is usually published in May of every year. Membership discussion is always invited, and very seldom received. Next year we will be making the activity plan much clearer and will be showing the financial cost of at least each type of activity. Where warranted we will go down to the individual activity. The RIPE NCC has committed to this. In return, I would like members to commit to reading the activity plan and commenting on it. The activity plan feeds into the budget, which in turn feeds into the charging scheme. We need to get it right. Nigel
Hi Nigel I think the problem has been that the activity plan has lacked any substance for a while ... It would be good to see costs all be they in retrospect in at least part for this year's activity plan. I would also quite like an answer to the question I raised at the GM in respect to the costs for the RPKI project. You kindly admitted that you had exact costs for the project and then completely failed to provide them despite that being the point of my question. I would be grateful for a completion of the answer; all be it too late to affect the outcome of the vote at the GM. However I think it would be useful to see how much of the overall budget is assigned to this project, and all other activities currently underway. The fact no costs / budgets have been included in the activity plan over the last few years is an innocent oversight I'm sure, but it would be useful to correct this now as you have already stated, and it would be helpful to see the costs for this year both actual and budgeted ... Thanks in advance. -- Jon Morby fido.net - the internet made simple! tel: 0845 004 3050 fax: 0845 004 3051 On 7 Nov 2011, at 11:19, "Nigel Titley" <nigel@titley.com> wrote:
On 07/11/2011 10:52, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
In most businesses I know of, when there is an expected revenue shortfall, cuts are made - either in salary, amount of manpower or in projects. I hope RIPE NCC has contingency plans in place.
Or, rather than cutting services to members, we use some of our reserves. That is likely what will happen here, although we will obviously have a look at trimming budgets where that doesn't affect member services. The RIPE NCC isn't strictly speaking "like most businesses". Our membership have a great say in what we do through the activity plan, the draft of which is usually published in May of every year. Membership discussion is always invited, and very seldom received.
Next year we will be making the activity plan much clearer and will be showing the financial cost of at least each type of activity. Where warranted we will go down to the individual activity. The RIPE NCC has committed to this. In return, I would like members to commit to reading the activity plan and commenting on it. The activity plan feeds into the budget, which in turn feeds into the charging scheme. We need to get it right.
Nigel
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Hi Nigel
I think the problem has been that the activity plan has lacked any substance for a while ... I'd agree with this. It is both too detailed and not detailed enough.
It would be good to see costs all be they in retrospect in at least part for this year's activity plan.
I would also quite like an answer to the question I raised at the GM in respect to the costs for the RPKI project.
You kindly admitted that you had exact costs for the project and then completely failed to provide them despite that being the point of my question. I didn't provide them at the meeting largely because I don't have them in my head. We can certainly provide them to you. Jochem usually, when doing his budget presentation, indicates roughly how the various budget
On 07/11/2011 11:39, Jon Morby wrote: lines are made up and there is usually a full and detailed budget in the back of the Annual report. We'll make sure we get them to you, as I indicated we would.
I would be grateful for a completion of the answer; all be it too late to affect the outcome of the vote at the GM. However I think it would be useful to see how much of the overall budget is assigned to this project, and all other activities currently underway. The fact no costs / budgets have been included in the activity plan over the last few years is an innocent oversight I'm sure, but it would be useful to correct this now as you have already stated, and it would be helpful to see the costs for this year both actual and budgeted ...
However, as I indicated, a very full budget is included in the Annual report, a copy of which is sent to every member (and which is available online). It *doesn't* break down to individual activities, but we have this information and will get it to you. Annual reports all the way back to 1998 are available at http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/press-centre/publications/annual-r... Best regards Nigel
On 07/11/2011 10:16, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
Dear Nigel,
as the voting results are published it reflects clearly the discussion through the new Chargig Scheme 2012.
Voting Results b) The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2012. No 148 Yes 102 Abstain 11
Can you explain us and to the whole list what will be happen now as I guess it was the first time since we are a member that the GM don't adopt the Charging Scheme ??
We continue with last year's charging scheme. This will result in a shortfall of approximately €500k on the budget, which will be met from reserves. There is no danger of the RIPE NCC going under, but obviously we need to ensure that the membership as a whole is satisfied with the charging scheme that we propose next year. Preliminary thinking on this is to put together a small task force composed of representatives from the membership, the board and the RIPE NCC in the hopes of coming up with a scheme that we can all live with. The alternative, of course, is to continue with the old charging scheme as we have used up until now but of course we put together the new charging scheme as a response to the membership after complaints about the old one, so I wouldn't expect that to be popular. All the best Nigel
Hi Nigel,
Preliminary thinking on this is to put together a small task force composed of representatives from the membership, the board and the RIPE NCC in the hopes of coming up with a scheme that we can all live with.
I would like to volunteer for this, if required. So if you require additional members that are currently not involved in the board or has any active ties to the NCC beside managing a LIR. I live about 25km from the RIPE office, so I'll pay for my own petrol for the transportation, if you provide the coffee. ;) Regards, Erik Bais
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James Blessing -
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Lu Heng -
Nigel Titley -
Rob Evans -
sergey myasoedov -
Sergey Myasoedov
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