Hi, We should accommodate for growth, we are also a small company, like i said in my previous emails we have allocated everything. Now we don`t have nothing free. We should create a system where , if available, renumbering should be possible and getting new address space also. Let`s not forget in the meantime that our gaol however is to go towards ipv6! I wonder if ripe does not have a report on creation of new lir`s who requested a /22 by country. I think this report will be useful. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu TENNET TELECOM Asociatia Interlan From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Aleksey Bulgakov Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:00 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple And what if the number of customers will be growth? Will the company buy IPs in market or open LIR for EUR 5k? But it won't be cost 5k in the market. It will be 7-10k, because of restriction. It is better allow to get IPs once a year or 2 years for members, if multiple accounts are disallowed -- Kind regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO 7 926 6908729 11:06, 19 февраля 2016 г., Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>: Hello again, I really don`t understand. Like i said yesterday. It`s quite simple. If someone opens a lir and he cannot transfer/merge/sell the lir without loosing the /22 in just 2 years it will be more expensive to keep the new lir then to aquire the address space from the market. Everyone will do the math before opening a new lir. So the problem will go away! Only new companies in need of address space will open new lir`s. The people who actuality are in need to get address space. I will do the math again for anyone who got lost in the unsubscribe wave. /22 on the market is around 5000 usd New lir setup fee is 2000 + 1400 yearly membership = 3400 if we add an extra year it will be 4800 which is the price on the market. Bounding the life of the /22 to the life of the lir it seems to me like the only real solution and the easiest. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu TENNET TELECOM -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthias Šubik Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:06 PM To: Jérôme Nicolle Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple On 18.02.2016, at 00:45, Jérôme Nicolle <jerome@ceriz.fr> wrote: ... So let's forbid new LIRs from transfer before, well, at least 5 years, that should help with regulating this mess. Nobody needs to transfer, it is only convenient to save the LIR cost. If the LIR cost is covered, you can open as many LIRs in separate companies. The problem isn’t the transfer, as you could run multiple LIRs from one office, the problem is, that it is not affordable for new ISPs, but last /8 was exactly targeted on *new* operations, not old operations trying to get more addresses. Matthias ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.