Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association
On 25/06/14 01:31, Rob Golding wrote:
Well, this is one thing we were asking about. We currently allow a voting window of 16 hours (which is an improvement on the original 15 mins). How much time do you think would be reasonable? I'd be happy with 2 days/48-hours
This would mean that the results wouldn't be available during the meeting (as we normally hold the members' meeting on Wednesday evening). If this isn't a problem then fine, but we've had indications that people like to know the result during the meeting. Nigel
Hi I would like to know it in the meeting--discussing the results with friends in person is really part of the meeting for me, just a common. This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.
On 2014年6月25日, at 下午7:02, Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> wrote:
On 25/06/14 01:31, Rob Golding wrote:
Well, this is one thing we were asking about. We currently allow a voting window of 16 hours (which is an improvement on the original 15 mins). How much time do you think would be reasonable? I'd be happy with 2 days/48-hours
This would mean that the results wouldn't be available during the meeting (as we normally hold the members' meeting on Wednesday evening).
If this isn't a problem then fine, but we've had indications that people like to know the result during the meeting.
Nigel
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I think 24hours should be enough Mike -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nigel Titley Sent: 25 June 2014 12:03 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association On 25/06/14 01:31, Rob Golding wrote:
Well, this is one thing we were asking about. We currently allow a voting window of 16 hours (which is an improvement on the original 15 mins). How much time do you think would be reasonable? I'd be happy with 2 days/48-hours
This would mean that the results wouldn't be available during the meeting (as we normally hold the members' meeting on Wednesday evening). If this isn't a problem then fine, but we've had indications that people like to know the result during the meeting. Nigel ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hi Nigel, Op 25 jun. 2014, om 13:02 heeft Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> het volgende geschreven:
On 25/06/14 01:31, Rob Golding wrote:
Well, this is one thing we were asking about. We currently allow a voting window of 16 hours (which is an improvement on the original 15 mins). How much time do you think would be reasonable? I'd be happy with 2 days/48-hours
This would mean that the results wouldn't be available during the meeting (as we normally hold the members' meeting on Wednesday evening).
If this isn't a problem then fine, but we've had indications that people like to know the result during the meeting.
Indeed. Discussing the results of the voting, congratulating new board members, thanking old board members etc has to be part of the meeting in my opinion. A voting window of 24 hours seems the most fair to everybody because 24 hours will include one normal full working day for everybody. Cheers, Sander
On 25/06/14 13:23, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi Nigel,
Op 25 jun. 2014, om 13:02 heeft Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> het volgende geschreven: Indeed. Discussing the results of the voting, congratulating new board members, thanking old board members etc has to be part of the meeting in my opinion. A voting window of 24 hours seems the most fair to everybody because 24 hours will include one normal full working day for everybody.
In practice this will mean making the announcement at some time on Friday morning, which I don't think is too much of an issue, especially as we now make the announcement generally rather than just to members. We could either make it first thing (before the plenary starts) or during the morning break. The latter would seem to be most sensible (assuming the PC is happy with this). All the best Nigel
Hi Nigel, Op 25 jun. 2014, om 14:54 heeft Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> het volgende geschreven:
On 25/06/14 13:23, Sander Steffann wrote:
Indeed. Discussing the results of the voting, congratulating new board members, thanking old board members etc has to be part of the meeting in my opinion. A voting window of 24 hours seems the most fair to everybody because 24 hours will include one normal full working day for everybody.
In practice this will mean making the announcement at some time on Friday morning, which I don't think is too much of an issue, especially as we now make the announcement generally rather than just to members. We could either make it first thing (before the plenary starts) or during the morning break. The latter would seem to be most sensible (assuming the PC is happy with this).
Sounds like a good solution to me :) Cheers, Sander
Discussing the results of the voting, congratulating new board members, thanking old board members etc has to be part of the meeting in my opinion.
Then IMHO voting _really_ needs to open a day earlier - whilst I understand the board want people to listen and maybe change their mind, but my experience is that the minds are made up *weeks* if not months in advance. That way 48 hours would still mean the results can be handled on the Friday Rob
Hi Rob, Op 25 jun. 2014, om 18:30 heeft rob.golding@astutium.com het volgende geschreven:
Then IMHO voting _really_ needs to open a day earlier - whilst I understand the board want people to listen and maybe change their mind, but my experience is that the minds are made up *weeks* if not months in advance.
I strongly disagree. This may be true for things that are published months in advance and not further discussed during the AGM. At the last AGM there was a lot of discussion on some subjects, and for me the presentations of the candidates for the board also made a big difference. If people vote blindly then what point is there in having an AGM with discussions in the first place? Cheers, Sander
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> wrote:
On 25/06/14 13:23, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi Nigel,
Op 25 jun. 2014, om 13:02 heeft Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> het volgende geschreven: Indeed. Discussing the results of the voting, congratulating new board members, thanking old board members etc has to be part of the meeting in my opinion. A voting window of 24 hours seems the most fair to everybody because 24 hours will include one normal full working day for everybody.
In practice this will mean making the announcement at some time on Friday morning, which I don't think is too much of an issue, especially as we now make the announcement generally rather than just to members. We could either make it first thing (before the plenary starts) or during the morning break. The latter would seem to be most sensible (assuming the PC is happy with this).
All the best
Sounds like a good solution. To sum it all up as I see it: - 24hours voting window as a max. See no real need for 2-3days, if you need that much time you should delegate the voting. - Open voting as today. It would be unwise to open voting before discussions in General Meeting (GM) are done so I'm strongly against that. Might be arriving new information that change the entire game? - Announce result sometime during the RIPE meeting, if that mean we have to move GM to an earlier day, so be it. - Proxy voting can, probably will, and probably already have been "missused" to get your (for any definition of you) candidate voted in. However there are real use cases for proxy voting so we need to support it somehow. I like the suggestion that LIRs have an option to delegate their voting rights to someone else online. - Paper voting is extra work if you compare it to full electronic voting, however we have this privacy vs anonymity issue. It is not an easy answer to that. What I suggest - all that register for GM and voting on RIPE70 should by default get the online vote options selected. If they want to vote using paper they have to select it themself. - Accountability should be improved, but first I think we need to better understand the real problem. Is it lack of trust, or just need to double check the result? -- Roger Jorgensen | ROJO9-RIPE rogerj@gmail.com | - IPv6 is The Key! http://www.jorgensen.no | roger@jorgensen.no
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